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    come or go:

    Going/coming to (place) is making a dream come true.


    Hi,
    Is this sentence fine, please? Which verb should I use?
    Thanks.

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    Re: come or go:

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    Going/coming to (place) is making a dream come true.


    Hi,
    Is this sentence fine, please? Which verb should I use?
    Thanks.
    It depends on where you are. If you love Arizona and you're in Arizona, you'd say, "Coming to Arizona..."

    If you're not in Arizona, you'd say, "Going to Arizona...."

    In normal usage, you probably wouldn't say "making." You'd just say, "...is a dream come true."

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    Re: come or go:

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    It depends on where you are. If you love Arizona and you're in Arizona, you'd say, "Coming to Arizona..."

    If you're not in Arizona, you'd say, "Going to Arizona...."

    In normal usage, you probably wouldn't say "making." You'd just say, "...is a dream come true."

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    Hi,

    do you think that the British use ''come'' and ''go'' a little bit differently from the Americans?

    do they say "come to Arizona" to mean ''go to Arizona"?

    how do the Canadians say, please?

    thanks.

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    Re: come or go:

    Every single person uses the words a little differently.

    Remember that you come "here" and go "there". So the choice depends both on where you are relative to that place, and how distant or close --physically, emotionally, and so on --you feel to that place and to wherever you are as you speak.

    Where are you? Where have you travelled to? To whom are you speaking?

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    Re: come or go:

    If I were a Canadian, how would I say?

    When I come/go to Montreal (I am in Toronto), I will....

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    Re: come or go:

    Quote Originally Posted by jctgf View Post
    If I were a Canadian, how would I say?

    When I come/go to Montreal (I am in Toronto), I will....

    Thanks.
    If you are in Toronto and are planning a trip, regardless of how you feel about Montreal, you say "When I go to Montreal, I will..."

    But. If you love Montreal so much you are already there in your heart, AND you are not making specific plans for your next trip but are describing the joy you feel every time you are in Montreal, you can say:

    "Whenever I come to Montreal, it is a dream come true."

    Do you see the psychological and logistic difference?


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    Re: come or go:

    Remember that you come "here" and go "there". So the choice depends both on where you are relative to that place, and how distant or close --physically, emotionally, and so on --you feel to that place and to wherever you are as you speak.
    I dont think this fully explains usage. If 'here' is my current spatial location with all other locations being 'there'. Then I would ask someone to 'come here' or 'go there'.

    Yet you may phone the wife to tell her you are 'coming home' or respond to a 'come here' request with a 'I'm coming'. In these cases the origin is shifted from your location to the location of the person you are speaking to.

    Thus When I come/go to Montreal (I am in Toronto), I will....
    depends on context. If they were talking, on the phone, to their friend who is currently in Montreal, the correct use would be 'when I come'. If the second party was also in Toronto, or anywhere else, it would be 'when I go'.

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    Re: come or go:

    Quote Originally Posted by thod00 View Post
    If they were talking, on the phone, to their friend who is currently in Montreal, the correct use would be 'when I come'. If the second party was also in Toronto, or anywhere else, it would be 'when I go'.
    hi,
    it's absurdly interesting!
    everything depends on where the person who I am talking to is?
    does it apply to the English spoken in Canada, please?
    thanks

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    Re: come or go:

    I don't think this is any different in British, American or Canadian English, but it does depend a lot on the individual. "Come" and "go" are such fundamental, basic English that they are common to everyone.

    I don't think everything depends on the person you are speaking to, but certainly that is important as well.

    I don't think "go here" or "come there" is good English at all. The real question is, what does "here" and "there" really mean?

    Conceptually "here" measures everything between "I" (the person who is speaking) and "you" (the person spoken to); and "there", everything beyond. (In modern English; we can also talk about "yonder", but that's now archaic. And really another topic as well.)

    So: if you are speaking to someone who is where you are travelling to, "here" = "come" makes perfect sense, UNLESS you really want to show very strongly, maybe rudely, that you don't want to "go" "there".

    If you are in Toronto, then you speak of "going to" Montreal ("there") to people who live in Toronto.

    If you are in Montreal speaking to Montrealers, then you say you will "come" "here".

    And if you really hate Montreal, then you say:

    "Whenever I go to Montreal, it is a nightmare."

    Of course to say it to a Montrealer is a little rude, so you may want to say:

    "Whenever I come to Montreal, it is a nightmare."

    So, to repeat: yes, the location of the person you are speaking to makes a great difference, but so does your location as well, relative to the place you are speaking about.

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    Re: come or go:

    thanks a lot.

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