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    after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    could you please tell me whether we have to use "but" after "not only". Can we just say " not only....also...."?

    For example, ""She found herself in a completely different place, not only in terms of culture, also in terms of climate."

    Do you think this sentence is correct in terms of the usuage of "not only... also"?

    Thanks a lot

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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    I would say the "but" is absolutely necessary, and the "also" is not: it can be replaced by "as well", "in addition", or even nothing at all.

    She found herself in a completely different place, ...

    ... not only in terms of culture, but also in terms of climate.
    ... in terms not only of culture, but of climate as well.
    ... not only in culture, but in climate.

    And so on.

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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    Abaka is right. I'm not sure that grammar requires the but, but it sounds very bad without it. The also also sounds bad.

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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Bernstein View Post
    Abaka is right. I'm not sure that grammar requires the but, but it sounds very bad without it. The also also sounds bad.

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    What is wrong with 'also'?

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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    I'd say there are occasions where but can be omitted. It happens in speech, now when I come to think of it (not that I can think of a 'presentable' example at the moment, as examples are not really my forte).


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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    Quote Originally Posted by IvanV View Post
    I'd say there are occasions where but can be omitted. It happens in speech, now when I come to think of it (not that I can think of a 'presentable' example at the moment, as examples are not really my forte).
    Thank you all very much. Could I understand your explanation in this way: only when it is informal can we omit "but" and this is also very uncommon?

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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    I can think of individual sentences where the "but" is not required. I am not sure I would recommend ever using these constuctions, but perhaps someone with a very good ear could get away with them. Only the patterns of the first two sentences are reasonably safe.

    We not only need the money, we also need the love.
    Not only do we need the money, we also need the love.
    Not only did we paint the house; we sold it thereafter.
    Not only did we paint the house; we sold it soon thereafter.
    (BETTER: iambic heptameter)
    We not only run; also we walk.
    Not only do we run; we walk as well.

    The following do not work:

    X We not only need the money, also the love
    X We need not only the money, also the love
    X We need not only the money, need also the love
    X We need not only the money, also need the love
    X Not only did we paint the house; we sold it afterwards.

    X We not only run; also walk
    X He gave the money not only to Richard; to John as well.


    Not only we run; they also run.

    Note the specific stress on "we" and "also": in the middle of the sentence, unusually.
    You can certainly say such a sentence. To write it, however, seems unlear without italics, and hardly necessary at all: a standard "not only but also" construction will do.

    BETTER: It's not only we who run quickly; they also run quickly.

    X Not only we; also they run

    Here the trick is to take the meter of the sentence, stress by stress.

    My conclusion is: use the BUT. There are strange prosodic effects here. Acceptability depends heavily on how the stresses distribute within the sentence. This is poetry, not grammar. And to put bits of verse into a prose passage is very poor writing.
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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    Thank you very much Abaka. One more doubt: if we say "She found herself in a completely different place, not only in terms of culture but also in terms of climate." Is it OK if we don't insert a comma between "culture" and "but"?


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    Re: after "not only", do we have to use "but"?

    Yes, but then consider removing the second "in terms of" as well:

    She found herself in a completely different place, not only in terms of culture but also in terms of climate.

    She found herself in a completely different place, not only in terms of culture but also of climate.

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