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    simple past/present perfect

    hello,
    I found the following sentence in Murphy:

    My grandfather died 30 years ago. I never MET him.

    The key suggests simple past to be the correct choice.
    What would be the difference in meaning if I used:

    I'VE never MET him.

    would it imply (for example) that I was born before he died but I didn't have a chance to meet him?

    please answer
    thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    hello,
    I found the following sentence in Murphy:

    My grandfather died 30 years ago. I never MET him.

    The key suggests simple past to be the correct choice.
    What would be the difference in meaning if I used:

    I'VE never MET him.

    would it imply (for example) that I was born before he died but I didn't have a chance to meet him?

    please answer
    thanx
    I've never met him would mean that you will meet him sometime in the future. Since your granddad died 30 years ago, it would be illogical to say so.

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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    No you can't.

    I'd say bear in mind that when we use the Present Perfect, the "time period" must remain open/unfinished.
    If the time period isnt mentioned then its implied.


    All the time periods are unfinished;

    ie; Ive eaten today
    Ive been to the cinema twice this week
    I've been married twice (in my life)


    In the sentence;

    My father died 10 years ago. I never met him. (I had never met him- better)

    We can't use the Present Perfect as the time period is finished/over.
    The time period in this case is your grandfather's lifetime, which is finished. You can't see him again even if you wanted to.


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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    thank You very much for your replies

    but if I consider my lifetime as being an unfished time period can't I say:

    I've never met my grandfather. (in my life, in general past; regretefully expressing here the lack of this particular experience; having in mind potencial, possible consequences that meeting could have for my current life, personality etc..)

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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    I see what you're saying, and maybe you could argue that too..

    maybe you could say (but expand with a context)


    I've never met my grandfather and I never will as he passed away 20 years ago.

    my two cents!

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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by matchaj View Post
    thank You very much for your replies

    but if I consider my lifetime as being an unfished time period can't I say:

    I've never met my grandfather. (in my life, in general past; regretefully expressing here the lack of this particular experience; having in mind potencial, possible consequences that meeting could have for my current life, personality etc..)
    No you can't, if you say 'I've never met my grandfather.' it means that there is a possibility that you will. If he died 10 years ago, this is unlikely, in this life at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luizao View Post
    I see what you're saying, and maybe you could argue that too..

    maybe you could say (but expand with a context)


    I've never met my grandfather and I never will as he passed away 20 years ago.

    my two cents!
    It seems that our posts crossed. You are right about context, it can change a lot.


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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    thanx a lot

    to continue that highly problematic topic (Present Perfect of course) I've got another example and question.
    It refers to the theory saying something like - in present perfect sentences expressing lifetime experiences there is an implied, inbuilt information that something can ( or will ) possibly happen in future. For example:
    I've never been to Spain. (but there is a chance I will go there)
    I've never watched Alien vs Predator. (but potentialy I can)


    what about these examples:


    I've never met 5 metres tall man.
    I've never seen a yellow cow.
    etc...


    is present perfect appropriate in these sentences?
    please answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchaj View Post
    what about these examples:


    I've never met 5 metres tall man.
    I've never seen a yellow cow.
    etc...


    is present perfect appropriate in these sentences?
    please answer
    They are of the same type as your other sentences - they say that your experience of meeting a five-metre tall man and a yellow cow hasn't been fulfilled yet, but this time a possibility of meeting and seeing one is almost none.

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    Re: simple past/present perfect

    ahhhh....
    but nothing is impossible.
    Never say never!

    Yes you can use the tense there.

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