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    #1

    present perfect

    But the point is the Democratic Party has become a refuge for traitors for 50 years and they will not join in the fight
    The same game the 49ers have lost for the past two years.
    The average room price, now about $ 61 a day, has lost ground to inflation for almost three years.
    The above are taken from COCA.
    But are they good English?
    Why does pesent perfect follow "for" to express persistence?
    Could you teachers please explain to me?
    Thank you so much.
    Last edited by norwolf; 02-Apr-2009 at 11:23.

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    Re: present perfect

    As they're from COCA, I'm not your best respondent. I'd say the first was dubious; 'has been' would be clearer. The second is OK; the context shows that this relates to a recurring fixture, which the 49ers always lose - so it means 'they have been losing it for 50 years'. In the third, in Br English, I'd expect a past continuous - 'has been losing...for...'.

    But I defer to the locals!

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    Re: present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I'd say the first was dubious; 'has been' would be clearer.
    You are quite right: 'has become...for...' is nonsense!

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