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    tense, this year

    1. John: Which school club does Mary join this year?
    Tom: She joins the English club.
    2. John: Which school club has Mary joined this year?
    Tom: She has joined the English club.
    Which dialog is grammatically correct, #1 or #2?

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    Re: tense, this year

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. John: Which school club does Mary join this year?
    Tom: She joins the English club.
    2. John: Which school club has Mary joined this year?
    Tom: She has joined the English club.
    Which dialog is grammatically correct, #1 or #2?
    Both are correct, but with different meanings. 2. is more likely to be said.

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    Re: tense, this year

    What does #1 mean?

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    Re: tense, this year

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    What does #1 mean?
    Think about #1 for a while. Try to imagine a situation in which #1 would make sense.

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    Re: tense, this year

    Stumped. In Br Eng you could use a present, but the present continuous - if it was a prior assumption that Mary was going to join a club: 'Which club is Mary joining this year?'

    (I suppose, after a long and inconclusive discussion about possible clubs, someone might say 'Well which club does she join this year then?' - but in that context 'is she going to join' would sound more natural to me.)

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    Re: tense, this year

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    In Br Eng you could use a present, but the present continuous - if it was a prior assumption that Mary was going to join a club: 'Which club is Mary joining this year?'
    Is there a typo in the above sentence?

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    Re: tense, this year

    Hi sitifan

    In my opinion, dialogue 1. is not grammatically correct.
    John: Which school club does Mary join this year?
    Tom: She joins the English club.

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    Re: tense, this year

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    Is there a typo in the above sentence?
    No, but unless your accent is good some native speakers may think your grammar is incorrect.

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    PS I didn't represent the stress in my last post: 'You could use a present tense, but [if you did the one you used would have to be] the present continuous'. It's safer to follow Soup's advice.
    Last edited by BobK; 01-May-2009 at 13:41. Reason: PS Added

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    Re: tense, this year

    Quote Originally Posted by sitifan View Post
    1. John: Which school club does Mary join this year?
    Tom: She joins the English club.
    2. John: Which school club has Mary joined this year?
    Tom: She has joined the English club.
    Which dialog is grammatically correct, #1 or #2?
    A situation in which 1. could be used is the following.

    In that school everyone joins a new club each year. Who joins which club has been decided and is on the club sheet that Tom is looking at.
    John wants to know which club Mary joins this year.

    "Which school club does Mary join this year?" means the same thing as 'Which school club (will Mary join)(is Mary joining)(is Mary going to join) this year?


    A further example of this grammar is a softball team of very young players. There are no set positions for the players. Before every game, the coach announces where each player will play.

    'Today Peter pitches, Robert catches, Bobby plays first base...' At this point an impatient Johnny pipes up with 'Where do I play today?'

    This grammar seems very natural to me, and I don't see how it's grammatically incorrect.

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    Re: tense, this year

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    A situation in which 1. could be used is the following.

    In that school everyone joins a new club each year. Who joins which club has been decided and is on the club sheet that Tom is looking at. John wants to know which club Mary joins this year.
    But even in that context, the last part, Mary joins this year is ungrammatical.

    That "who joins which club has been decided" tells us the decisions happened in the past; hence, John wants to know which club Mary joined this year.

    The tense is awkward, 2006. It's not that I don't want to agree with you here--rather, it's that I can't, not at the expense of learners reading this thread who believe the dialogue, not the sentence in question, is grammatically correct English.

    John: Which school club does Mary join this year?
    Tom: She joins the English club.
    "Which school club does Mary join this year?" [does not mean] the same thing as 'Which school club (will Mary join)(is Mary joining)(is Mary going to join) this year?

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