Results 1 to 7 of 7
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • German
      • Home Country:
      • Germany
      • Current Location:
      • Sweden

    • Join Date: Feb 2008
    • Posts: 1,638
    #1

    conceptual

    Hi

    "When we remain ignorant of the conceptual aspect of our existence, we'll interact with this created world as if it is real in itself".

    --- Does it say that if people won't ignore their concepts about life, world and reality they will think that what they perceive (world/reality) is real?

  1. Snowcake's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • German
      • Home Country:
      • Germany
      • Current Location:
      • Germany

    • Join Date: Mar 2008
    • Posts: 624
    #2

    Re: conceptual

    I don't know what is meant by "conceptual aspect". Context should clarify this.

    Try to rephrase the sentence:

    If we continue ignoring the conceptual aspect of our existence, we will interact with .... ( we will live in this world as if it is real in itself)


    • Join Date: Nov 2007
    • Posts: 5,409
    #3

    Re: conceptual

    Look around - there's a tree, over there's a river.
    ...and there's a church.
    That church is there, part of the reality we see around us, only because some people have a particular religious faith. They conceptualize their very existence around faith in a deity, and what that deity requires of them. Yet the very construct of a Supreme Deity, or deities, is a man-made construct; and part of life, reality, then becomes building churches, attending, and obeying "God's Laws".
    And so, when the Koran -written by humans - is interpreted by some to mean that it instructs 'kill the infidel', their whole existence becomes the quest to eradicate infidels. That is their life, their reality - yet it is based totally on a man-made conceptualization of 'what life on Earth is all about'. (They're called 'terrorists'.)
    That's an extreme example; but the essence of the statement is, that we humans create so much of our own reality, with our institutions, our laws, our beliefs...and then regard what we have created as much as 'well, of course' as we would say 'of course there are trees, of course there are stars in the sky'.

    We don't challenge the idea that there is a sun and moon, yet equally, how little do we challenge the 'reality' that we have created for ourselves. We treat it as just as 'real'; and until we realize this - (and stop being 'ignorant') - we will continue to do so, as obedient servants of what we have ourselves created .

    Just imagine: if at birth you swapped a WASP baby with a baby from an Islamic nation - other things like skin colour, features being equal - instead of being a Christian, that baby would grow up to be a devout Muslim. Just an accident of birth, yet so much of future 'reality' depends solely on the (man-made) culture we are born into.
    Last edited by David L.; 10-May-2009 at 22:54.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • German
      • Home Country:
      • Germany
      • Current Location:
      • Sweden

    • Join Date: Feb 2008
    • Posts: 1,638
    #4

    Re: conceptual

    Hi David
    So, do you think that Snowcake's rephrasing is correct:
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowcake View Post

    If we continue ignoring the conceptual aspect of our existence, we will interact with .... ( we will live in this world as if it is real in itself)
    I would say the original sentence rather says: If we don't start ignoring the conceptual aspects of our existence we will live in this world as if it is real.

    cheers!

  2. Snowcake's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • German
      • Home Country:
      • Germany
      • Current Location:
      • Germany

    • Join Date: Mar 2008
    • Posts: 624
    #5

    Re: conceptual

    I entirely agree with David's explanation, and know I have an idea of what conceptual aspect means.

    Guest2008, your given sentence is "When we remain ignorant ...", but your last sentence is exactly the other way 'round.

    "remain ignorant" means we have been ignorant up to now, and we will also be ignorant in the future.

    Another way to put it:

    We should be aware of the conceptual aspect of our existence, so that we realize that the world how it is at this very moment, is created, and not real in itself.

    May I know the source of this sentence?

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • German
      • Home Country:
      • Germany
      • Current Location:
      • Sweden

    • Join Date: Feb 2008
    • Posts: 1,638
    #6

    Re: conceptual

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowcake View Post



    We should be aware of the conceptual aspect of our existence, so that we realize that the world how it is at this very moment, is created, and not real in itself.
    I agree with the above :)

    I came across this sentence reading some text about Zen.


    • Join Date: Nov 2007
    • Posts: 5,409
    #7

    Re: conceptual

    Snowcake has got it.

    You've changed it from 'If we remain ignorant' = continue failing to recognize, and so won't acknowledge...

    to

    'If we don't start to ignore' = that is, we should start refusing to recognize, acknowledge...
    That implies that we DO recognize how much of our 'reality' is based on constructs and conceptualizations of 'what life is all about'...and should stop doing that and just start ignoring all of that.

Similar Threads

  1. What is the conceptual metpahor behind this?
    By ian2 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 08-May-2008, 21:33
  2. Conceptual Physical Science 2003- Hewitt Schokley, Hewitt
    By Anonymous in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 26-Feb-2004, 15:16

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •