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    was hoping for

    This sentence is taken from Cambridge Advanced Grammar In Use:

    --Do you like your present?
    --It's just the thing (that) I was hoping for.

    Can we use 'have been hoping for' instead of 'was hoping for'?

    Thanks a lot.

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    Re: was hoping for

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    this sentence is taken from cambridge advanced grammar in use:

    --do you like your present?
    --it's just the thing (that) i was hoping for.

    Can we use 'have been hoping for' instead of 'was hoping for'? no, but "had been hoping for" would be correct. Do you understand why?

    thanks a lot.
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    Re: was hoping for

    Hi, 2006, thank you very much for your help. This is why I'm confused:

    Longman Dictionary, 4th edition:
    Oh, thank you, it's just what I've always wanted.

    Macmillan:
    just what I (have always) wanted: Thanks again for the book, it's just what I wanted.

    Could you further help me with this problem of mine? Thank you again.

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    Re: was hoping for

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    Hi, 2006, thank you very much for your help. This is why I'm confused:
    Read the bottom first!
    Longman Dictionary, 4th edition:
    Oh, thank you, it's just what I've always wanted. (Strictly speaking) this is not correct if you already received the present. (delete 've)
    But sometimes people are not so strict with the rules, and if you just received it one second ago, you might say it. But it should be marked wrong on an exam, and I am surprised that Longman has this sentence as being correct.


    Macmillan:
    just what I (have always) wanted: Both can not be correct for the same context.

    Thanks again for the book, it's just what I wanted. You presumably already received the book, so you should only use a past tense.

    Could you further help me with this problem of mine? Thank you again.
    'I am hoping" and "I have been hoping" both mean you are still hoping. So if you already received your present, they are not correct. You should say "I was hoping" or "I had been hoping".

    Likewise, 'It's just want I want" and "It's just what I have (always) wanted" mean you still want it.
    "It's what I (had) wanted" means that you don't want it any more, because you already received it.

    Your references are a bit difficult to comment on because the contexts are not all clear.


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    Re: was hoping for

    Yes, you can say...

    "have been hoping for" (present continuous tense)

    your basically saying you've been wanting the gift for a long time and even now still want it! Even though you just received it. It seems a little more appreciative and thankful then to say i was hoping for.

    "I was hoping for" (past continuous)

    This means the same thing... Except you were hoping for the gift and you got it. It almost sounds like you gave up hope haha. However, spoken they have the exact same meaning. You just have the option of using two different tenses... It depends on how long you've wanted the gift. If it's been a long time like over 4 months and you still really really want the gift I would use "have been hoping for" If it's been longer and the want has kind of faded then I would use "I was hoping for"

    Hope this helps!

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    Re: was hoping for

    [QUOTE=tbeaner21;474470]Yes, you can say...
    Welcome!
    "have been hoping for" (present continuous tense)

    your basically saying you've been wanting the gift for a long time and even now still want it! Even though you just received it. as long as people realize the logical/grammatic inconsistency

    It seems a little more appreciative and thankful then to say i was hoping for. very subjective

    "I was hoping for" (past continuous)

    This means the same thing... Except you were hoping for the gift and you got it. It almost sounds like you gave up hope haha. However, spoken they have the exact same meaning. You just have the option of using two different tenses... It depends on how long you've wanted the gift. If it's been a long time like over 4 months and you still really really want the gift I would use "have been hoping for" That's a very arbitrary length of time. If it's been longer and the want has kind of faded then I would use "I was hoping for" Of course if you no longer want it, you should use past tense, regardless of the length of time.

    Hope this helps!
    You haven't convinced me that the present and past tenses can logically have the same meaning. And I think students will be very confused. It's confusing enough anyway. I think you have to have some consistent rules to help a student understand this.

    Tina (ESL teacher/ Journalism major)[/QUOTE

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    Re: was hoping for

    Thank you very much,2006 and theaner21. I'm still a bit confused. I was hoping other native speakers could give further help.

    Thank you again.

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