1. ## some---others/the others

Hello, teachers:
I am wondering what is the difference between the sentences below:
1.Some suits are blue.Others are black.

2. Some suits are blue. The others are black.

Could you please clarify it ?

2. ## Re: some---others/the others

Originally Posted by WUKEN
Hello, teachers:
I am wondering what is the difference between the sentences below:
1.Some suits are blue.Others are black.

2. Some suits are blue. The others are black.

Could you please clarify it ?
The second sentence means that all of the other suits are black.

The first sentence indicates that there are some blue suits and some black suits. It is likely that there are additional suits that are neither blue nor black.

3. ## Re: some---others/the others

Thanks for 2006's clarification.
So when native speakers say others without " the", it doesn't mean the last several.
However, when native speakers say:
Some------ the others-----", the others means the last several .

Did I grasp it?
Also ,let me set another example about " the other".
If I say
1. Mary is going to take other apples( It means Mary is going to take several more apples, but not the rest of the apples.)

2. Mary is going to take the other apples.( It means mary is going to take the last several).
Am I right?

Could you have a look at it?

4. ## Re: some---others/the others

Did I grasp it?
Also ,let me set another example about " the other".
If I say
1. Mary is going to take other apples( It means Mary is going to take several more apples, but not the rest of the apples.)

2. Mary is going to take the other apples.( It means mary is going to take the last several).
Am I right?

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You're okay with #2, but not with #1. "Mary is going to take other apples" is not very idiomatic unless you have put apples in front of her, and she took NONE of those, choosing instead apples from somewhere else.

1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3

SOME of the above numbers are 1s.
OTHERS are 2s. -- This says that some are 2s, but there there are some left over that are neither 1s nor 2s.

1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2

SOME of the above are 1s.
THE OTHERS are 2s. -- This says that all of the remaining numbers are 2s.

5. ## Re: some---others/the others

Originally Posted by wuken
thanks for 2006's clarification.
So when native speakers say others without " the", it doesn't mean the last several. correct , but "the last several" is a bit odd here; 'all (of) the remaining ones' is better.
however, when native speakers say:
Some------ the others-----", the others means the last several . no, "some" means not all of the remaining ones.

did i grasp it?
Also ,let me set another example about " the other".
If i say
1. Mary is going to take other apples( it means mary is going to take several more apples, but not the rest of the apples.) correct

2. Mary is going to take the other apples.( it means mary is going to take the last several).
Am i right? yes

could you have a look at it?