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    Question "that" "which" and the comma

    Could you enlighten me on the use of the coma with "that" and "which"? Which one of these examples is correct?

    Examples:

    The flowers that I received from Gina are magnificent.

    The flowers which I received from Gina are magnificent.

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    The flowers, that a received from Gina, are magnificent.

    The flowers, which a received from Gina, are magnificent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hortence View Post
    could you enlighten me on the use of the coma with "that" and "which"? Which one of these examples is correct?

    examples:

    the flowers that i received from gina are magnificent.

    the flowers which i received from gina are magnificent.

    or

    the flowers, that I received from gina, are magnificent.

    the flowers, which I received from gina, are magnificent.

    thank you!
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    'that' is the appropriate choice if the clause serves to define 'flowers' and distinguish from all other 'magnificent flowers' in the world.
    If the general class of 'flowers' is not being limited or defined in some way, then 'which'.

    A reader of the sentence, "The flowers are magnificent", might well be thinking, 'what flowers are we talking about?'

    It is difficult to see "...that/which Gina sent me" as not vital information, and so, 'that' is the appropriate choice, not 'which'.

    "He made a chicken curry for our dinner, which I later regretted eating."
    "The rest of the chicken curry that he made ended up in the bin."

    If 'which' is used, then a comma normally precedes it.

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    Re: "that" "which" and the comma

    Good answer, David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David L. View Post
    'that' is the appropriate choice if the clause serves to define 'flowers' and distinguish from all other 'magnificent flowers' in the world.
    If the general class of 'flowers' is not being limited or defined in some way, then 'which'.

    A reader of the sentence, "The flowers are magnificent", might well be thinking, 'what flowers are we talking about?'

    It is difficult to see "...that/which Gina sent me" as not vital information, and so, 'that' is the appropriate choice, not 'which'.

    "He made a chicken curry for our dinner, which I later regretted eating."
    "The rest of the chicken curry that he made ended up in the bin."

    If 'which' is used, then a comma normally precedes it.
    You're still living in that world of the necessary-to-make choice between that and which, aren't you?
    It's only when which refers to a noun post-modified in a non-restrictive relative clause that it is necessary that you use which; in other cases, it's that or which.

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    Re: "that" "which" and the comma

    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    You're still living in that world of the necessary-to-make choice between that and which, aren't you?
    It's only when which refers to a noun post-modified in a non-restrictive relative clause that it is necessary that you use which; in other cases, it's that or which.
    True, but when you're an avid reader and a dandy for fine style, using that in such cases can sound rather clumsy, particularly in long compound sentences, so you tend to favour which by using it where you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engee30 View Post
    You're still living in that world of the necessary-to-make choice between that and which, aren't you?
    It's only when which refers to a noun post-modified in a non-restrictive relative clause that it is necessary that you use which; in other cases, it's that or which.
    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    True...
    That's more like it.

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    Re: "that" "which" and the comma

    Thank you all. These are answers that have stimulated my interest and provided helpful insight, which is not an understatement!
    Last edited by Hortence; 18-May-2009 at 18:20.

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    That's what I like to see - a that/which discussion that ends on a positive note.

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    BobK :That'swhat I like to see - a that/which discussion that ends on a positive note.

    I agree; and more, so much more:
    Hortense: These are answers that have stimulated my interest and provided helpful insight, which is not an understatement!
    both times!

    History shows that wars are futile and both sides have equal claim to 'rightness'; but aesthetic judgment in terms of a choice that one's fountain pen betrays, is beyond dispute.

    No. No...I'm likely fanning dying embers.

    But if someone's curiosity is sparked that I just chose 'that' when 'what' seems more appropriate to them...
    Perhaps it is possible to continue to show that a damn good discussion about what comes out of our mouths - and why we 'said it that way' - does not necessarily have to be acrimonious.
    Last edited by David L.; 18-May-2009 at 22:38.

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