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    Hello teachers:

    I am wondering what is the difference between "the milk and beer" and "the milk and the beer" to native speakers.
    1 .The milk and the beer __ 10 dollars.

    2. The milk and beer ____ 10 dollars.

    Could you clarify it?
    Thanks for your clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WUKEN View Post
    Hello teachers:

    I am wondering what is the difference between "the milk and beer" and "the milk and the beer" to native speakers.
    1 .The milk and the beer __ 10 dollars. The milk and the beer costs $10 (each).

    2. The milk and beer ____ 10 dollars. The milk and beer costs $10 (altogether).

    Could you clarify it?
    Thanks for your clarification.
    This is my, a non-native English speaker's, view on the matter.

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    Thanks for engee30's reply!
    I am also wondering how native speakers regard it.
    May I have more comments about my question?

    Thanks for your help.

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    Re: the?

    Quote Originally Posted by WUKEN View Post
    Hello teachers:

    I am wondering what is the difference between "the milk and beer" and "the milk and the beer" to native speakers.
    1 .The milk and the beer __ 10 dollars.

    2. The milk and beer ____ 10 dollars.

    Could you clarify it?
    Thanks for your clarification.
    In both sentences the cost is 10 dollars. The second "the" is optional. I can't interpret either sentence to mean that each thing costs 10 dollars.


    The other question is whether to use 'cost' or 'costs'. Since it is very hard to imagine that "The milk and (the) beer" is one thing, I would use 'cost'. (they cost)


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    They mean the same thing to me. The second "the" is redundant, and therefore optional. Also, I would disagree with engee's verb conjugation.

    The beer costs $10.
    The milk and beer cost $10. (They cost $10 together)

    If the meaning is that each one costs $10, I would add "apiece" or "each" to the end.
    The milk and beer cost $10 apiece.
    The milk and the beer cost $10 each.

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    Re: the?

    Thanks for your clarifications.
    So what it would be to native speakers if the sentences are:
    1.The milk and juice ____ 10 dollars.( Does it imply one thing to native speakers? )
    2. The milk and the juice ____ 10 dollars. ( Does it imply two separated items?)

    I find it's hard for me to judge if it's one whole thing or two separate things maybe because of different food culture, I suspect.)
    I have been haunted by it.
    Hopefully, you cant help me to work it out.
    Thanks for your help.
    Last edited by WUKEN; 18-May-2009 at 08:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuken View Post
    thanks for your clarifications.
    So what it would be to native speakers if the sentences are:
    1.the milk and juice ____ 10 dollars.( does it imply one thing to native speakers? ) no
    2. the milk and the juice ____ 10 dollars. ( does it imply two separate items?) 1...yes, but not because of the second "the"
    2...separate, not "separated"

    i find it's hard for me to judge if it's one whole thing or two separate things maybe because of different food culture, i suspect.)yes, that could influence your thinking.
    i have been haunted by it.
    Hopefully, you cant help me to work it out.
    Thanks for your help.
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    2. the milk and the juice ____ 10 dollars. ( does it imply two separate items?) 1...yes, but not because of the second "the"
    Thanks for 2006's reply and correction!
    So native speakers regard it as one whole thing or two separate items not because of "the" , then I am wondering how native speakers decide it is one whole thing or two separate things.
    Could you tell me the tip?
    For a test, I need to learn how to distinguish it.
    Thanks for your help!
    ps Thanks a lot, 2006!


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    The juice and the milk are two separate things, but they are combined together as one subject. I have a container of juice and a container of milk that I want to buy at the same time. The juice and milk (as one purchase) cost $10. I know that they are separate things because I would never combine milk and juice into one container. That would be considered disgusting.

    Lets take a different example of things which could be combined, say, milk and tea. I can put milk in my tea, so the two are combined. However, I would not call the result milk and tea or even tea and milk. I might call it tea with milk. In China, I can buy a drink called milk tea, where milk describes the type of tea or the way it's prepared. I could also use milky as an adjective and call tea that has a lot of milk mixed in milky tea. If I go to the store to buy milk and tea, I will come home with two different items. In this case, the "and" separates them.

    There are other things that might not follow the same rule, however. Pork and beans, for example. I can go to the store and buy a can of pork'n'beans. Inside the can would be pork and beans mixed together, though I could still tell you which pieces were pork and which were beans. I can go to a restaurant and get a plate of bacon and eggs. They would be on the same plate, but not necessarily mixed together.

    Is that the sort of thing that's confusing you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsense View Post
    the juice and the milk are two separate things, but they are combined together as one subject.
    but a compound subject, they

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