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    Difference in meaning of sentences

    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son, Ahmad, is on our football team."

    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son Ahmad is on our football team."

    Are the sentences correctly punctuated? Is there a difference in meaning between the two sentences?

    Many thanks in advance.


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    In the first sentence, it turns out that Mr. Ali has only one son. The second sentence says he has more than one son.


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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son Ahmad is on our football team."
    These two mean the same thing. Either way is fine.
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    "This is Mr. Ali, whose only son Ahmad is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, one of whose sons, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    In the first sentence, it turns out that Mr. Ali has only one son. The second sentence says he has more than one son.

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    On a "name day" he was inducted into the Keita clan, one of whose leading ancestors was Namory of the subtitle.

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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    Hi Daruma

    I don't think you're correct.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    Hi Daruma

    I don't think you're correct.
    Tan Elaine,

    Could I ask why you don't think I'm right?

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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    Hi Daruma

    I think Svartnik's reply is on the correct track.

    Maybe another member can tell us whether you are correct.


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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    Quote Originally Posted by Tan Elaine View Post
    Hi Daruma

    I think Svartnik's reply is on the correct right track.

    Maybe another member can tell us whether you are correct.
    The two sentences convey different meanings.

    In the first sentence we see an example of a non-restrictive noun apposition, where the second element modifies the first without changing or narrowing down its scope. The second noun is meant to provide additional info about the foregoing NP (= whose son).

    In the second sentence, however, we have a restrictive apposition. The second noun specifies which son of Ali we are talking about.

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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, whose son Ahmad is on our football team."
    These two mean the same thing. Either way is fine.
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    "This is Mr. Ali, whose only son Ahmad is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, one of whose sons, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    In the first sentence, it turns out that Mr. Ali has only one son. The second sentence says he has more than one son.

    Amazon.co.jp: Fishing in the Sky: The Education of Namory Keita: Donald Lawder: 洋書
    On a "name day" he was inducted into the Keita clan, one of whose leading ancestors was Namory of the subtitle.
    There is no difference in meaning, however the first has too many commas. The second is correct.


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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    bhaisahab,

    Thanks for the comment.

    What do you think about the following?
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    "This is Mr. Ali, whose only son Ahmad is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, one of whose sons, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    In the first sentence, it turns out that Mr. Ali has only one son. The second sentence says he has more than one son.
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    Re: Difference in meaning of sentences

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    bhaisahab,

    Thanks for the comment.

    What do you think about the following?
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    "This is Mr. Ali, whose only son Ahmad is on our football team."
    "This is Mr. Ali, one of whose sons, Ahmad, is on our football team."
    In the first sentence, it turns out that Mr. Ali has only one son. The second sentence says he has more than one son.
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    They are both fine.

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