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    Question which/that

    1. ...the war of 1812, of which he disapproved, ...
    2. ...the war of 1812, that he disapproved of, ...

    Which of the two is incorrect or seems less appropriate?


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    1. ...the war of 1812, of which he disapproved, ...
    2. ...the war of 1812, that he disapproved of, ...

    2 is wrong because of the word "that." The meaning in 2 is that there was more than one war of 1812 and this is the one he disapproved of.

    1 sounds very formal and is not generally how a native speaker would phrase it. I would say:

    ...the war of 1812, which he disapproved of,...

    Grammar Girl has a great episode explaining the difference.

    Her tip:
    A quick and dirty tip (with apologies to Wiccans and Hermione Granger) is to remember that you can throw out the “whiches” and no harm will be done. You use which in nonrestrictive clauses, and if you eliminate a nonrestrictive clause, the meaning of the remaining part of the sentence will be the same as it was before.

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    Smile Re: which/that

    Thanks for your comment teacherjulia


    I've gathered some information and put it all together. It seems that that doesn't go with non-defining clauses, which only add information to the main sentence . Plus you seperate them with a comma.

    But if I wanted to make it a defining clause and, as you wrote, indicate there were more wars of 1812, wouldn't I have to remove the comma before that in the second sentence?

    P.S. I realise the first sentence's terribly formal . I found it in some written test - that should explain it. Prepositions always remind me of what W. Churchill said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."

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    Re: which/that

    Quote Originally Posted by nyota View Post
    Thanks for your comment teacherjulia

    I've gathered some information and put it all together. It seems that that doesn't go with non-defining clauses, which only add information to the main sentence . Plus you seperate them with a comma.

    But if I wanted to make it a defining clause and, as you wrote, indicate there were more wars of 1812, wouldn't I have to remove the comma before that in the second sentence?

    P.S. I realise the first sentence's terribly formal . I found it in some written test - that should explain it. Prepositions always remind me of what W. Churchill said, "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."

    Regards
    Yes, you have to remove the comma for a defining clause.
    The wars of 1812 that he disagreed with were those between the French and the Prussians, and between the French and the Austrians; all of the others he heartily supported.
    Your first sentence isn't terribly formal; you wouldn't say it, but it would be normal in writing. (But maybe I'm used to reading more formal writing).

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    Smile Re: which/that

    Sounds formal, looks normal . Thanks Raymott.

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