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    recently and lately

    I haven't worked hard recently.
    I have worked hard recently.
    I haven't recently worked hard.
    I have recently worked hard.

    I haven't lately worked hard.
    I have lately worked hard.
    I have worked hard lately.
    I haven't worked hard lately.

    Are all my sentences correct? I am talking about the place of "lately and "recently" in mid position and at the end of the sentence and in negative and positive sentences.
    Thanks


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    #2

    Re: recently and lately

    end position, interchangeable


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    #3

    Re: recently and lately

    What about moving "lately" and "recently" behind "I"?


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    #4

    Re: recently and lately

    still grammatical, IMO, but I would steer clear of such placement of the two adverbs in Daisy's sentences.


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    Re: recently and lately

    Svartnik,

    1-1. I haven't worked hard recently.
    1-2. I have worked hard recently.
    1-3. I haven't recently worked hard.
    1-4. I have recently worked hard.

    2-1. I haven't lately worked hard.
    2-2. I have lately worked hard.
    2-3. I have worked hard lately.
    2-4. I haven't worked hard lately.

    Would you say frankly which sounds the best?

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    #6

    Re: recently and lately

    Quote Originally Posted by daisy1352 View Post
    i haven't worked hard recently. yes
    i have worked hard recently. yes
    i haven't recently worked hard. odd. ok in some contexts.
    i have recently worked hard. odd. ok in some contexts.

    i haven'tlately worked hard. no
    i have lately worked hard. no
    i have worked hard lately. yes
    i haven't worked hard lately. yes

    the above suggestions are what sounds right to me.
    You can also put either word at the beginning of the sentence.
    lately i have worked hard.
    recently i haven't worked hard.
    in the negative, we'd normally say: i haven't worked very hard lately.


    are all my sentences correct? I am talking about the place of "lately and "recently" in mid position and at the end of the sentence and in negative and positive sentences.
    your easiest, and always acceptable, choice would be not to use these adverbs in the middle of a sentence.

    thanks
    r.


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    Re: recently and lately

    Raymott,

    - I have lately worked hard.
    You think that lately should be moved to the beginning or end of the sentence, don't you?

    Mike Musgrove - @play at CES: New TV Models Are Model-Thin - washingtonpost.com
    TV commercials for movie discs this time last year hawked the latest titles as being available on "Blu-ray," though they have lately taken to referring to the format as "Blu-ray high definition," as if to give consumers more clarity on why they're being asked to spend more money.

    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

    USATODAY.com - Anguished Arab world weighs its post-Saddam future
    They have lately signaled a wish to break with the past by choosing a prime minister ó a new post that is supposed to dilute the autocratic rule of their longtime leader, Yasser Arafat.

    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

    lately
    adv.
    recently; in the recent past: Have you seen her lately? Itís only lately that sheís been well enough to go out. (BrE) I havenít been sleeping well just lately. She had lately returned from India.

    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

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    #8

    Re: recently and lately

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    Raymott,

    - I have lately worked hard.
    You think that lately should be moved to the beginning or end of the sentence, don't you?

    Yes, that's what I said.

    Mike Musgrove - @play at CES: New TV Models Are Model-Thin - washingtonpost.com
    TV commercials for movie discs this time last year hawked the latest titles as being available on "Blu-ray," though they have lately taken to referring to the format as "Blu-ray high definition," as if to give consumers more clarity on why they're being asked to spend more money.

    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

    It's OK where it is in this sentence. It could also read:
    though lately they have taken to referring to the format as "Blu-ray high definition," or
    though they have taken to referring
    to the format as "Blu-ray high definition," lately, ...

    USATODAY.com - Anguished Arab world weighs its post-Saddam future
    They have lately signaled a wish to break with the past by choosing a prime minister — a new post that is supposed to dilute the autocratic rule of their longtime leader, Yasser Arafat.

    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

    It's OK where it is in this sentence. It could also read:

    Lately they have signaled a wish ...
    They have signaled a wish lately ...

    She had lately returned from India.


    Do you think that lately should be moved anywhere else?

    It's OK where it is in this sentence.

    The position in which adverbs
    sound natural depends on the other structural elements of the sentence. I'm giving you my opinion of what sounds natural to a native speaker.A native speaker would be unlikely to say "I have worked hard lately"in any case. They would say:
    "I've been working hard lately" or "Lately, I've been working hard".
    R.

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    #9

    Re: recently and lately

    To uncomplicate things, write:

    I worked hard.
    *I lately worked hard. Replace lately with some other adverbial of time: yesterday
    *I yesterday worked hard. * I Tuesday worked hard.

    The adverb placed just before work blocks the tense assigning, or messes it up. I worked is past tense, lately is some unassigned time.

    You wouldn't write *I worked lately hard. Then there is clash between ed assigning tense and lately trying to be a tense assigner.
    Lately is a sentence modifier, and should be placed at the beginning or the end of the sentence, regardless of attempts by advertisers to subvert the course of grammatical justice!

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    #10

    Re: recently and lately

    A couple of points distinguishing the two adverbs in question:

    1. 'Recently', unlike 'lately', can stand in between subject and verb, e.g.

    I've recently been having problems with my car.

    (only marginaly less natural than

    I've been having problems with my car recently.)

    but not

    *I've lately been having problems with my car.

    2. 'Lately' (at least in BrE) never modifies a preterite:

    There was an accident at the power plant recently.

    but not

    *There was an accident at the power plant lately.


    Note also that 'lately' tends to occur only with

    (1) the present perfect progressive of dynamic verbs, e.g.

    They've been working very hard lately.

    (2) the present perfect simple of stative verbs, e.g.

    I've been rather tired lately.

    or

    (3) the present perfect simple of dynamic verbs where reference is to a repeated event:

    I've seen her a lot lately.

    (but not, e.g.

    *I've cleaned the carpet lately.

    to mean

    I('ve) cleaned the carpet recently.)


    Philo
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