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    Hi, everybody.
    We say:
    That will be Tim coming home now.
    As you will have noticed, there are some gaps in the data.
    They will have made the decision last week.
    Can we say:
    "What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There will be twelve."?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwolf View Post
    Hi, everybody.
    We say:
    That will be Tim coming home now.
    As you will have noticed, there are some gaps in the data.
    They will have made the decision last week.
    Can we say:
    "What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There will be twelve."?

    Thank you in advance.
    No,".....there should be twelve."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    No,".....there should be twelve."
    Thank you, bhaisahab.
    I learnt this from LONGMAN dictionary:
    WILL:
    6belief used to say that you think something is true

    The last doesn't work like the rest, does it?
    And why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwolf View Post
    Thank you, bhaisahab.
    I learnt this from LONGMAN dictionary:
    WILL:
    6belief used to say that you think something is true

    The last doesn't work like the rest, does it?
    And why?
    This conversation is possible:
    A: There will be 12 tickets in the envelope.
    B: There are only 10.
    A: There should be 12!

    A cannot assert that he believes there are 12 after B has told him that there are only 10.
    This construction is only a very mild expression of belief; it's more an expression of an expectation. It's not used against a reasonable statement to the contrary.

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    "What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There will be twelve!" [Strong accent on will.]

    The last bit, 'There will be twelve!' is not wrong if you get rid of the question mark in your original version. It is not a question. Add the bit below in brackets to clarify the sentence if you like.

    "What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There will be twelve (on the night, if I have my way! ")

    Or as already mentioned use should, but no question mark.

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    That will be Tim coming home now.

    This is supposed to express probability. I think all future events are probabilities until they have happened.

    But the expression, though very common is mad!

    That ( noise I just heard [PAST tense], doorbell, garden gate ) will be [FUTURE tense although it's happening now] Tim coming home ( arriving now).

    So an event in the past, (noise heard) will in the future be something that is happening right now! Time is an illusion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
    So an event in the past, (noise heard) will in the future be something that is happening right now! Time is an illusion!
    Wife: That'll be the phone, Bert.
    (That noise we have just noticed will, on further investigation, turn out to be the telephone ringing, in my opinion, Bert.
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    How about this:
    What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There would be twelve.[Strong accent on would]
    (There would be twelve, but I am not sure.)

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    #9

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    And this:
    What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There shall be twelve.(regulation or the speaker's guarantee)

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwolf View Post
    And this:
    What do you mean, there are only ten tickets? There shall be twelve.(regulation or the speaker's guarantee)
    There shall be 12! I will make it so!

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