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  1. james_chew_84
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    can i say?

    I've a torn muscle.My muscle is torn.

    Can I say my muscle has torn?

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    Re: can i say?

    Quote Originally Posted by james_chew_84
    I've a torn muscle.My muscle is torn.

    Can I say my muscle has torn?
    I would say

    My muscle has been torn.
    My muscle has torn off.

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    Re: can i say?

    I would not say 'my muscle has torn off' unless I had been in a grisly traffic accident and were in major surgery.

    On the other hand, having torn muscles and torn ligaments are common athletic problems. I tore a ligament in my forearm this morning doing pull-ups. I tore a calf muscle while jogging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Micawber
    I would not say 'my muscle has torn off' unless I had been in a grisly traffic accident and were in major surgery.

    On the other hand, having torn muscles and torn ligaments are common athletic problems. I tore a ligament in my forearm this morning doing pull-ups. I tore a calf muscle while jogging.
    Yeah, I agree but he wanted his sentence to start with "My muscle....this and that". Torn off is just an example.

  5. james_chew_84
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    Re: can i say?

    i don't think we can say my muscle has torn off. My muscle has torn off simply means that my muscle has torn something.eg. My muscle has torn off his face.My muscle has injured him. if a verb is put after has it simply means that your doing something to someone. Am i right?

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    Re: can i say?

    Quote Originally Posted by james_chew_84
    i don't think we can say my muscle has torn off. My muscle has torn off simply means that my muscle has torn something.eg. My muscle has torn off his face.My muscle has injured him. if a verb is put after has it simply means that your doing something to someone. Am i right?
    It can torn off something else but it can also be torn off - totally ripped, as in a gruesome accident.

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    Yes, James, the phasal verb can be either transitive or intransitive, but semantics comes into play also. Muscles are soft, flexible, subdermal bodyparts which I find it difficult to imagine could tear anything else; they are on the contrary easily torn themselves.

    Muscles do not tear off faces; muscles are torn off in traffic accidents.
    Hammers are not torn off in traffic accidents; hammers can tear off muscles, however.

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    Muscles do not tear off faces

    unless there are bones around them.
    OK...how about ....:

    Look! See this? See this five knuckle muscle? (fist) It's ready to tear off your face in just a minute if you don't get out of my way!

    Just joking...

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