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    I versus me

    Hello there,

    I was wondering which personal pronoun I should use in the following sentences:

    "No one dared to defy him, not even I/me"
    "Jane thinks she's better than she/her" (here I would say "better than her", because that's the only variant I've ever heard)

    This can get me confused a lot sometimes and so I would like to know
    what the proper rule for this sort of thing is. That way I can avoid a few
    ugly mistakes in the future.

    Thanks in advance,
    Filip

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    Re: I versus me

    Quote Originally Posted by Filip View Post
    Hello there,

    I was wondering which personal pronoun I should use in the following sentences:

    "No one dared to defy him, not even I/me" Both are correct, but mean different things
    "Jane thinks she's better than she/her" (here I would say "better than her", because that's the only variant I've ever heard) In this case, better than her is fine

    This can get me confused a lot sometimes and so I would like to know
    what the proper rule for this sort of thing is. That way I can avoid a few
    ugly mistakes in the future.

    Thanks in advance,
    Filip
    No one dared to defy him, not even I. (=Even I didn't dare to defy him.)
    No one dared to defy him, not even me. (=No one dared to defy even me.)

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    #3

    Re: I versus me

    Quote Originally Posted by Filip View Post
    Hello there,

    I was wondering which personal pronoun I should use in the following sentences:

    "No one dared to defy him, not even I/me"
    "Jane thinks she's better than she/her" (here I would say "better than her", because that's the only variant I've ever heard)

    This can get me confused a lot sometimes and so I would like to know
    what the proper rule for this sort of thing is. That way I can avoid a few
    ugly mistakes in the future.

    Thanks in advance,
    Filip
    Unfortunately, the 'proper rule' will not help you speak naturally like a native speaker.
    But here it is:
    You use the subject form when the pronoun has the function of a subject.
    You use the object form when the pronoun has the function of an object.

    "No one dared to defy him, not even I (dared to defy him) - not even I.
    "Jane thinks she's better than she (is) - not 'better than her is
    '.

    However, in common usage, the object pronoun is often used instead.
    No one dared to defy him, not even me.
    Jane thinks she's better than her.

    I draw the line of permitted licence where the pronoun is a direct object of a preposition or is the subject of a sentence.
    * He's coming with Jane and I. - Wrong
    'He's coming with me'
    therefore 'He's coming with Jane and me'
    * Jane and me are going to the movies. - Wrong
    'I am going' therefore "Jane and I are going"
    *
    That's between you and I. Wrong.
    That's between you and me.


    There is a wide range of opinions on what is "acceptable".


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    Re: I versus me

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    There is a wide range of opinions on what is "acceptable".
    Thanks Raymott,

    I already feared I was going to have to put this in the same category as the whole "it is me versus it is I" debate. So, basically I have no choice but to 'trust my gut' then.

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