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    Me vs I

    I believe you can say, say, "you and me" as well as "you and I" but I can't figure out in which circumstances one is better than the other. Can anyone help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurent View Post
    I believe you can say, say, "you and me" as well as "you and I" but I can't figure out in which circumstances one is better than the other. Can anyone help?

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    Laurent

    The use of you and I or you and me in co-ordinate phrases depends on whether they function as subjects or objects in the sentence:
    • You and I should go and tell the principal about this matter.
    • The principal wants to see you and me now. or
    • The principal has indicated that he wants to interview you and me
    Howevwer, in colloquial informal British English, people often use you and me as subjects, even though it is known to be incorrect.

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    Re: Me vs I

    Yes, and even worse, others commit the opposite solecism of using 'you and I' as coordinate objects, as in the horrible hypercorrectism *between you and I!

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    Quote Originally Posted by philo2009 View Post
    Yes, and even worse, others commit the opposite solecism of using 'you and I' as coordinate objects, as in the horrible hypercorrectism *between you and I!
    This can be turned into the realm of the virtuoso language abuser if they remember to say 'from whence'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    This can be turned into the realm of the virtuoso language abuser if they remember to say 'from whence'.
    Usage note:Although sometimes criticized as redundant on the grounds that “from” is implied by the word whence, the idiom from whence is old in the language, well established, and standard. Among its users are the King James Bible, Shakespeare, Dryden, and Dickens: Hilary finally settled in Paris, from whence she bombarded us with letters, postcards, and sketches. From thence, a parallel construction, occurs infrequently.

    Usage Note: The construction from whence has been criticized as redundant since the 18th century. It is true that whence incorporates the sense of from: a remote village, whence little news reached the wider world. But from whence has been used steadily by reputable writers since the 14th century, most notably in the King James Bible: "I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help" (Psalms). Such a respectable precedent makes it difficult to label the construction as incorrect. Still, it may be observed that whence (like thence) is most often used nowadays to impart an archaic or highly formal tone to a passage, and that this effect is probably better realized if the archaic syntax of the word—without from—is preserved as well.
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    Re: Me vs I

    In German you can say:
    von daher = from thence
    von woher = from whence

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    I would say that the 'from' of 'from whence' is, at worst, a slightly annoying redundancy, but I would rather hear it a hundred times than 'between you and I' even once!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Usage note:Although sometimes criticized as redundant on the grounds that “from” is implied by the word whence, the idiom from whence is old in the language, well established, and standard. Among its users are the King James Bible, Shakespeare
    Shakespeare's also a between-you-and-I-er:
    All debts are cleared between you and I (Merchant of Venice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Shakespeare's also a between-you-and-I-er:
    All debts are cleared between you and I (Merchant of Venice)
    Well, he should have known better! Pity we can't drag his sorry soul onto this forum. He'd probably blame Heminges and Condell.

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    We could always claim it was part of the characterisation.

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