bad meat

[jirikoo]

Hi guys, by what another word would you describe a bad meat that is already off - stinky. The reason why I'm asking is the other day I ate Chinese food the meat of which was really of bad smell and wanted to describe the reality to other people...

Other words: Which adjective do you usually associate with bad food (with regard with stinky and getting bad rotten smell) - can I say "off", "gone" or getting putrid??


thank you

 

[baqarah131]

Sounds like the meat was tainted.

regards
edward

Hi guys, by what another word would you describe a bad meat that is already off - stinky. The reason why I'm asking is the other day I ate Chinese food the meat of which was really of bad smell and wanted to describe the reality to other people...

Other words: Which adjective do you usually associate with bad food (with regard with stinky and getting bad rotten smell) - can I say "off", "gone" or getting putrid??


thank you

 

[Amigos4]

Hi guys, by what another word would you describe a bad meat that is already off - stinky. The reason why I'm asking is the other day I ate Chinese food the meat of which was really of bad smell and wanted to describe the reality to other people...

Other words: Which adjective do you usually associate with bad food (with regard with stinky and getting bad rotten smell) - can I say "off", "gone" or getting putrid??


thank you

Nasty smelling meat is said to be 'rancid'. Rancid meat is caused by the decomposition of fats or oils.

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[baqarah131]

No--only fat or butter can go rancid. Meat can be rotten, putrid or tainted.

From now on I expect you to address me as "O mighty fountain of knowledge of word usage and grammar."

humbly
edward

Nasty smelling meat is said to be 'rancid'. Rancid meat is caused by the decomposition of fats or oils.

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[Delmobile]

Oooh---putrid is a pretty strong word. For "putrid" I would almost expect to see maggots clinging to your chopsticks. I agree though, rancid is just for fats.

Especially if I were dining with others and didn't want to upset their digestions, I think I would say the meat tasted "as though it were starting to spoil."

There's the British expression (isn't there?) "gone off," but maybe that's just for dairy, like eggs or milk? Canst thou enlighten me, O mighty fountain?

[not a teacher]

 

[vil]

Hi jirikoo,

I know the following adjectives for bad meat:

tainted
gamy
rancid (there is a lot of fat in the meat, aren't there?)
putrid
rotten
decaying
musty
stinking (there is oil in the meat, isn't there?)
reeking (as above)
foul ("Because of its oil content, the meat tastes foul and rancid and causes severe diarrhea when eaten")

stuffy, foul, frowsy, vitiated (for eggs)
bad, addled, rotten (for fish)

Happy New Year.

Regards.

V.

 

[baqarah131]

Verily and forsooth.

With modern food storage, it's rare to find something that seriously advanced beyond its best-before date. That's why we're not agreeing right away.

I'd save "putrid" for meat that has started to move again on its own. I think "tainted" is the correct word for meat that is obviously past its prime. To be polite (never a bad idea), I'd say "The meat is starting to go bad."

In my mind, the only word that applies to bad eggs is "rotten", and for milk I'd say "gone off" or more likely, "sour" or "gone sour". Butter or cooking oil goes "rancid."

I hope this thread will not put anyone off their holiday meals. Enjoy your untainted meat, and fresh milk, butter and eggs.
edward

Oooh---putrid is a pretty strong word. For "putrid" I would almost expect to see maggots clinging to your chopsticks. I agree though, rancid is just for fats.

Especially if I were dining with others and didn't want to upset their digestions, I think I would say the meat tasted "as though it were starting to spoil."

There's the British expression (isn't there?) "gone off," but maybe that's just for dairy, like eggs or milk? Canst thou enlighten me, O mighty fountain?

[not a teacher]

 

[Amigos4]

No--only fat or butter can go rancid. Meat can be rotten, putrid or tainted.

From now on I expect you to address me as "O mighty fountain of knowledge of word usage and grammar."

humbly
edward

Not quite so fast, my Mighty Fountain of Knowledge of Word Usage and Grammar! The following article was recently reported by the BBC. (And, we all know that the BBC never makes a mistake! :roll

Rancid meat supplied to top London hotels

My contention remains firm: meat can be rancid!

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[Delmobile]

There do seem to be quite a few examples of the phrase "rancid meat" on the internets, not counting examples from sites like Urban Dictionary (which I'm not sure have anything to do with food), but I still would not choose this word to describe spoiled meat, no matter what the BBC (or even Webster's, which simply defines the word as "having a bad smell") may say.

Here's a Wikipedia entry describing the process of rancidification, a decomposition process specific to fats and oils. Rancid oil, or any other very oily food (like chips, which can also go rancid) has a distinctive, unpleasant odor, but nothing like the bacteria love fest you get a whiff of with rotten meat.

I must now return to cooking the delectable morsels for tonight's guests. Suddenly, I have the urge to become a vegetarian.

 

[Amigos4]

There do seem to be quite a few examples of the phrase "rancid meat" on the internets, not counting examples from sites like Urban Dictionary (which I'm not sure have anything to do with food), but I still would not choose this word to describe spoiled meat, no matter what the BBC (or even Webster's, which simply defines the word as "having a bad smell") may say.

Here's a Wikipedia entry describing the process of rancidification, a decomposition process specific to fats and oils. Rancid oil, or any other very oily food (like chips, which can also go rancid) has a distinctive, unpleasant odor, but nothing like the bacteria love fest you get a whiff of with rotten meat.

I must now return to cooking the delectable morsels for tonight's guests. Suddenly, I have the urge to become a vegetarian.

I finally figured it out! 'Delmobile' is your username because your first name is Del (probably short for Delphinia!!!) and you live in Mobile (probably a city where rancid meat does not exist!!!). And all this time I thought you were a soccer mom who drove her Delmobile from one activity to another! ;-)

Wouldn't it be great if you lived in Chocolocco, Alabama? Then your username could be... Delchocolocco Now, that would definitely be a sweet name to have!!!

Best wishes for a happy and appetizing party this evening!

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[Amigos4]

"Delphinia"! How did you become a 'Senior Member' of the Forum? Do you have to be an AARP member to qualify?

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[baqarah131]

That's a king-sized gotcha!

I've argued that rancid shouldn't apply to meat, and Delmobile has made the case beautifully.
But English is whatever English speakers say and write, and thank heaven it isn't fossilized. The lexicographers don't always rule. Words take on new meanings, usage changes, whether we like it or not.
The BBC says the meat was rancid. Everyone who read the article knows exactly what they were talking about. There was no problem in communication there.
So to do penance I ought to have some rancid meat for my new year's eve dinner, but there isn't any in my fridge (I hope), so I will substitute the self-imposed punishment of a bowl of carrots.

Best wishes
edward

Not quite so fast, my Mighty Fountain of Knowledge of Word Usage and Grammar! The following article was recently reported by the BBC. (And, we all know that the BBC never makes a mistake! :roll

Rancid meat supplied to top London hotels

My contention remains firm: meat can be rancid!

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[riverkid]

I moved thru this thread with deliberate speed because I, being ever so humble. couldn't bear to remain for long, so close to such wisdom.

One minor point that I shall sneak back at some distant time to check upon; doesn't 'tainted' carry with it the notion that someone had a hand in it, maybe on purpose?

ever so humbly, with two pecking fingers,

rk

 

[vil]

Hi jiricoo,

I will begin with a definition.

"The chef constituents of meat are water, protein and fat."

If fat can go rancid (please, see Baqarah's post above), we might come to the logical conclusion that the meat likewise can go rancid, because the fat is component of the meat.

If some people had known something about the phenomenon "osmosis" as well as its functions in the preservation of meat, they wouldn't have made objection of the usage of "rancid" concerning the estimation of "bad meat.

"Can bacon become rancid?"

"Yes any bacon of today that you buy at your local mega mark can go bad after usable date or if not properly stored."

How do you know if meat has gone off?

Will meat go bad if it is lost out? Yes it will, bacteria will thrive on meat at room temperature, within a few hours ti will start to go of and within 24 hours it would be inedible.

We have to wash meat with salt water and then dry it before storing and again before cooking it. The washing remove some of the bacteria from shop handling that would speed up deterioration if left on the meat. The drying reduces which reduces water and blood activity as well as delay and prevent bacterial growth.The cause for the bad smell could have been blood that drained from the meat and went off rather than the meat itself.

And in the end another definition about "rancidification" which will help your understanding.

Rancidification is the decomposition of fats and other lipids by hydrolysis or oxidation, or both. Hydrolysis will split fatty acid chains away from the glycerol backbone in glyceride. These free fatty acids can then undergo further auto-oxidation. These chemical processes can generate highly reactive molecules in rancid meat and oils, which are responsible for producing unpleasant and noxious odors and flavors. These chemical processes may also destroy nutrients in food. Under some condition, rancidity, and the destruction of vitamins occurs very quickly.

Happy new 2008 year.

Regards.

V.

 

[Amigos4]

Hi jiricoo,

I will begin with a definition.

"The chef constituents of meat are water, protein and fat."

If fat can go rancid (please, see Baqarah's post above), we might come to the logical conclusion that the meat likewise can go rancid, because the fat is component of the meat.

If some people had known something about the phenomenon "osmosis" as well as its functions in the preservation of meat, they wouldn't have made objection of the usage of "rancid" concerning the estimation of "bad meat.

"Can bacon become rancid?"

"Yes any bacon of today that you buy at your local mega mark can go bad after usable date or if not properly stored."

How do you know if meat has gone off?

Will meat go bad if it is lost out? Yes it will, bacteria will thrive on meat at room temperature, within a few hours ti will start to go of and within 24 hours it would be inedible.

We have to wash meat with salt water and then dry it before storing and again before cooking it. The washing remove some of the bacteria from shop handling that would speed up deterioration if left on the meat. The drying reduces which reduces water and blood activity as well as delay and prevent bacterial growth.The cause for the bad smell could have been blood that drained from the meat and went off rather than the meat itself.

And in the end another definition about "rancidification" which will help your understanding.

Rancidification is the decomposition of fats and other lipids by hydrolysis or oxidation, or both. Hydrolysis will split fatty acid chains away from the glycerol backbone in glyceride. These free fatty acids can then undergo further auto-oxidation. These chemical processes can generate highly reactive molecules in rancid meat and oils, which are responsible for producing unpleasant and noxious odors and flavors. These chemical processes may also destroy nutrients in food. Under some condition, rancidity, and the destruction of vitamins occurs very quickly.

Happy new 2008 year.

Regards.

V.

Very nicely done, vil! Great research!

I still remain in the camp that recognizes rancid meat when I smell it! ;-)

Happy first day of 2008!

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[vil]

Hi amygos4,

I accept with thanks yours congratulations.

Happy new 2008 year.

Regards.

V.

 

[Delmobile]

Hi Amigos4 - you're close. It's Delphine. I think I like Delphinia better though. And I do indeed live in Mobile, Alabama. Chocolocco!! I don't even know where that is.

"Senior member" - dunno, it must have to do with the number of posts you've put up. My AARP packet may come any day, particularly if they keep pushing the age downward (50 is the new 65!) but so far, like the ladies in the Oil of Olay advertisements, I'm still fighting every step of the way.

And I gracefully cede the question of rancidification vs. putrefaction, and will even try to call spoiled meat "rancid" when the occasion calls for it. Just so long as the bottle of past-its-prime walnut oil in my fridge doesn't begin to smell like rotten lamb.

Riverkid, about "tainted"--I also feel the word carries a connotation, however slight, that someone or thing has caused the taintedness. I am not a linguist or etymologist by any stretch, but perhaps the origin of the word has something to do with it? Or maybe my mind is clouded by "Tainted Love..."

Happy New Year to all!

 

[Amigos4]

Hi Amigos4 - you're close. It's Delphine. I think I like Delphinia better though. And I do indeed live in Mobile, Alabama. Chocolocco!! I don't even know where that is.

"Senior member" - dunno, it must have to do with the number of posts you've put up. My AARP packet may come any day, particularly if they keep pushing the age downward (50 is the new 65!) but so far, like the ladies in the Oil of Olay advertisements, I'm still fighting every step of the way.

And I gracefully cede the question of rancidification vs. putrefaction, and will even try to call spoiled meat "rancid" when the occasion calls for it. Just so long as the bottle of past-its-prime walnut oil in my fridge doesn't begin to smell like rotten lamb.

Riverkid, about "tainted"--I also feel the word carries a connotation, however slight, that someone or thing has caused the taintedness. I am not a linguist or etymologist by any stretch, but perhaps the origin of the word has something to do with it? Or maybe my mind is clouded by "Tainted Love..."

Happy New Year to all!

Delmobile!

I should have bought a lottery ticket! If I came that close to guessing your real name on the first try I surely could have won this week's PowerBall game! ;-)

Choccolocco, population 5,539, is located in Calhoun County! Your command of the English language, coupled with your lightning-fast wit, would make you an instant celebrity if you ever decide to re-locate from Mobile!

I hope your guests enjoyed the elegant morsels that you served last night! Did everyone make it to the stroke of twelve?

Best wishes to you and your family for a terrific New Year!

Cheers,
Amigos4