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Francois

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I believe the first 't' is not always actually pronounced in AE, much like 'twenty' or 'printer'. Is that correct?

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Francois said:
I believe the first 't' is not always actually pronounced in AE, much like 'twenty' or 'printer'. Is that correct?

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Yup. That's correct. The sound process by which the sequence of sounds /nt/ becomes [nn] is called progressive assimilation:

entertainment => ennertainment
twenty => twenny
printer => prinner

The Why:
[n] and [t] share the same place of articulation but differ in manner of articulation: [n] is a nasal sound (air passes through the nose), whereas [t] is an oral sound (air passes through the mouth). In terms of ease of speech, it's easier to maintain [n] than to stop and change manner to [t]. That is, [nn] is more preferred in terms of economy than is [nt].
 

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Francois said:
In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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Speakers are known to pronounce it that way, yes. :)

Similarily, unbelievable => unbelievable ~ umbelievable. The sounds "m" and "b" share a labial (i.e. lip) feature, whereas "n" and "b" do not.

There's also, supposedly => suppozedly => suppozubly (-ub as in tub). /s/ is pronounced as [z] intervocalically (i.e. between two voiced sounds). /e/, a lax vowel, is neutralized to a wedge, for which I've used "u" to symbolize. "d" changes to the sound "b" by a process called progressive assimilation. That is, "b" and "p" share a labial feature.

supposedly ~ supposebly

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Francois said:
In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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That's an intresting histry. :)

What's the phonological rule being applied here?
AH! I remembered it's segment-deletion. The deletion of a reduced vowel from certain phonetic contexts.
 

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Similarily, unbelievable => unbelievable ~ umbelievable. The sounds "m" and "b" share a labial (i.e. lip) feature, whereas "n" and "b" do not.

There's also, supposedly => suppozedly => suppozubly (-ub as in tub). /s/ is pronounced as [z] intervocalically (i.e. between two voiced sounds). /e/, a lax vowel, is neutralized to a wedge, for which I've used "u" to symbolize. "d" changes to the sound "b" by a process called progressive assimilation. That is, "b" and "p" share a labial feature.

supposedly ~ supposebly
I didn't know that.

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blacknomi said:
Francois said:
In the same vein, do you say "inneresting" in AE ?

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That's an intresting histry. :)

What's the phonological rule being applied here?
AH! I remembered it's segment-deletion. The deletion of a reduced vowel from certain phonetic contexts.[/quote

The further South you go below the Mason-Dixon Line the more you will encounter this almost sloppy pronounciation. Y'all are in Dixie :wink:
 

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I believe it's fairly common, and not particularly sloppy. Now, that's true that there's a wide variety of regional accents in the US, more or less "typical". For example, the Boston area accent sometimes sounds weird when you're not used to it ;)

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Really? You meant it's a regional accent. I didn't know that since I heard lots of native speakers here say so. :lol: And my pronunciation has been sloppier for a while. :oops: 8)
 

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blacknomi said:
Really? You meant it's a regional accent. I didn't know that since I heard lots of native speakers here say so. :lol: And my pronunciation has been sloppier for a while. :oops: 8)

All languages have those kinds of sound characteristics. It's universal. It has to do with ease of speech; the way sounds behave. 8)
 

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You'll hear the 't' dropped in the UK too.;-)
 

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tdol said:
You'll hear the 't' dropped in the UK too.;-)

What strikes me as an oddity is the pronounciation of Atlanta. Natives or better residents as it is a rather transient metropolis, emphasis the "T". do not worry, otherwise Southernese, unaware of that letter, prevails.
 
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