Forgot\Left

I ____ my homework at home.


  • Total voters
    295

RonBee

Moderator
Joined
Feb 9, 2003
Member Type
Other
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
I imagined a youngster saying, "I forgot my homework at home." So I voted Either. Then I changed my mind. :(

"I forgot my homework" is, of course, more likely.

:)
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
That wasn't my vote- in BE, we don't use 'forget' with the place. i have now voted for 'left', which is what we'd say. 'Forgot' is something students use, but which is tested and marked wrong. We need more votes here. ;-)
 

RonBee

Moderator
Joined
Feb 9, 2003
Member Type
Other
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
tdol said:
That wasn't my vote- in BE, we don't use 'forget' with the place. i have now voted for 'left', which is what we'd say. 'Forgot' is something students use, but which is tested and marked wrong. We need more votes here. ;-)

We don't usually use "forgot" with the place in AE either. (Somebody did vote for that.) The computer wouldn't let me change my vote. :(

We need somebody to break the tie.

:wink:
 

Casiopea

VIP Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2003
Member Type
Other
tdol said:

Both :D

I forgot my homework. SVO
I forgot my homework at home. SVO+adjunct modifier
I left my homework at home. SVOC
I left my homework. (Not OK)

:D
____________
S = subject
V = verb
O = object
C = complement (modifies 'homework', e.g. my homework is at home.)

NP = noun phrase
VP = verb phrase
IP = inflectional phrase = sentence
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
In BE, 'forgot it at home' is frowned upon. ;-)
 

RonBee

Moderator
Joined
Feb 9, 2003
Member Type
Other
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
Casiopea said:
tdol said:

Both :D

I forgot my homework. SVO
I forgot my homework at home. SVO+adjunct modifier
I left my homework at home. SVOC
I left my homework. (Not OK)

:D
____________
S = subject
V = verb
O = object
C = complement (modifies 'homework', e.g. my homework is at home.)

NP = noun phrase
VP = verb phrase
IP = inflectional phrase = sentence

Interesting analysis. But you didn't vote that way.

:wink:
 

Casiopea

VIP Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2003
Member Type
Other
tdol said:
In BE, 'forgot it at home' is frowned upon. ;-)

Me thinks the frownage has something to do with omission:

I forgot that I left my homework at home. (OK)
I forgot (that I left) my homework at home. (Non-BE, OK)

:D
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
It gets a double frown:

1- for the cheap lie (teachers prefer more imaginative lies)
2- for using a non-standard BE expression

Much better to say that your neighbours python swallowed it and won't give it back. ;-)
 

Casiopea

VIP Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2003
Member Type
Other
Why frown on "I forgot this"? I'm confus-ED. :D

It's the same as "I forgot (that I left my homework at home)" wherein 'at home' modifies 'left', which OK in BE. No? Help. Mind falling off edge of world. :D
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
Your example with 'that' works, but the basic sentence 'I forgot it at home' is not regarded as good BE. I can't give you a rational explanation- it's just something that many say is wrong. I suppose the idea is that you are inplying that the forgetting took place in the home rather than the location of the object. Not that that makes much sense, IMO. I think it's just a BE quirk. ;-)
 

RonBee

Moderator
Joined
Feb 9, 2003
Member Type
Other
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
Hm. Interesting discussion. I don't feel so bad about my "goof" now that Cas supports that version. I do think that ("I forgot it at home") is something a native speaker might say. However, more likely is I forgot to bring it.
  • Teacher: Where is your homework?
    Student: I forgot to bring it.

Hm.

:)
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
It's clearly not a goof, but yet another example of AE\BE differences. Also, many native speakers would say it here, but then the teacher might well correct them. ;-)
 
M

Mustafa Uslu

Guest
In normal standard Eglish 'left smt.',but 'forget to do smt.' OK.
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
I fully agree. ;-)
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
BE may be a minority form, but it is what I speak. ;-)
 

MikeNewYork

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
Academic
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
tdol said:
Your example with 'that' works, but the basic sentence 'I forgot it at home' is not regarded as good BE. I can't give you a rational explanation- it's just something that many say is wrong. I suppose the idea is that you are inplying that the forgetting took place in the home rather than the location of the object. Not that that makes much sense, IMO. I think it's just a BE quirk. ;-)

I don't think "I forgot that I left my homework at home" works any better than "I forgot my homework at home". It doesn't have the same meaning. Perhaps "I forgot to bring my homework from home" would be a substitution, but that is too much ellipsis. I also frown on "I forgot my homework at home." It sounds as if the forgetting occurred at home.
 

Tdol

Editor, UsingEnglish.com
Staff member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
English Teacher
Native Language
British English
Home Country
UK
Current Location
Japan
In a sense, the forgetting did take place at home. But then again, it usually means 'I haven't done it yet'. ;-)
 

MikeNewYork

VIP Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2002
Member Type
Academic
Native Language
American English
Home Country
United States
Current Location
United States
tdol said:
In a sense, the forgetting did take place at home. But then again, it usually means 'I haven't done it yet'. ;-)

If one forgot that he left his homework at home, one wouldn't be able to speak that sentence. :wink:
 
Top