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jack

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Are these correct and what do they mean?

1. You guys should have had this guy killed.
2. You guys should have had killed him.
3. You guys should have killed him.
 

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1. I have heard people said that. (Not OK; 'have' is not compatible with 'said')

have heard (Present Perfect)
said (Simple Past)<--incorrect?

If it is like this, how is this correct?:
2. I have heard people say that.
have heard (Present Perfect)
say(Simple Present, 'simple present' is in here?) <--how is this correct?
 

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Thanks.

So this one is wrong?
I. have seen him drove the car.

For the one above which one would I use?
2. I have seen him drive a car.
3. I have seen him drive the car.

For the one above, does it make more sense to use #4 or #5? What do they mean?
4. For the one above which one would I use?
5. For the one above which one would you use?

6. Does it make more sense to use #4 or #5? (What is 'does it' referring to?

What do these mean?
7. I have had a high-speed internet connection before.
8. I had a high-speed internet connection before.

9. I had a car.
10, I have had a car.
 
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I. have seen him drove the car. (Not OK)
2. I have seen him drive a car. (OK; any car; we don't know what car)
3. I have seen him drive the car. (OK; we know 'the' car.)
4. For the one above which one would I use? (OK; but since I don't know you very well, I'd have to guess which one you, jack, would use.)
5. For the one above which one would you use? (OK; I can tell you which one I use.)

6. Does it make more sense to use #4 or #5?
SUBJECT TEST: Q: What makes more sense? A: _______.

7. I have had a high-speed internet connection before. (Present Pefect, OK)
8. I had a high-speed internet connection before. (Simple Past, OK)

9. I had a car. (OK)
10. I have had a car (OK)

had = past, used to have it, no longer have it now
have had = past/present, used to have it, and recently got it again or thinking about getting it again or expressing that I had it once, so I understand it now.
 

jack

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6. Does it make more sense to use #4 or #5?
SUBJECT TEST: Q: What makes more sense? A: _______.
A: #4 or #5 (Correct? Is this the subject?)
or is it:
It makes more sense.


had = past, used to have it, no longer have it now
have had = past/present, used to have it, and recently got it again or thinking about getting it again or expressing that I had it once, so I understand it now.
Thanks, this is very useful. Sometimes when I'm talking I am not sure if it matters if I use 'had' or 'have had'.
 

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What do these mean?
1. No one has ever stood up for me before. (What does this mean?)
2. No one ever stood up for me before. (Is this correct? What does it mean?)

3. I have never stood up for anyone before. (What does this mean? Why do I need 'before' when I have 'have stood'=present perfect? What's the point of 'before?)
4. I have never stood up for anyone before until now. (#3 is correct right? Is #4 incorrect?

5. No one has ever stood up for me before. (What's is the point of 'before'?)
6. No one has ever stood up for me.
What's the difference between #5 and #6?
 
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1. No one has ever stood up for me before. (Present Perfect)
=> Never in the past, but there's a possibility that someone will now.
2. No one ever stood up for me before. (Simple Past)
=> Past fact.
3. I have never stood up for anyone before. (OK)
=> Same meaning as 1.
4. I have never stood up for anyone before until now. (Not OK)
=> Try, ...before. Not until now, that is. I now have the chance to stand up for someone.
5. No one has ever stood up for me before. (OK)
=> Same as 1.
6. No one has ever stood up for me.(OK)
=> Same as 2.
 

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Thanks.

4. I never had this problem. (Try, have never had)
7. I never have this problem before. (Try, never had ... before) Past
4. I (have) never had this problem. (Is this sentence incorrect without 'have'?)
7. I (have) never had this problem before. (So this sentence is correct with 'had' but not 'have' right? Also, do I need 'have' in there? Or is it correct without 'have'?)

If #7 is correct, why isn't #8 corrrect?
8. I never had this problem.
 

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jack said:
Thanks.


4. I (have) never had this problem. (Is this sentence incorrect without 'have'?)
7. I (have) never had this problem before. (So this sentence is correct with 'had' but not 'have' right? Also, do I need 'have' in there? Or is it correct without 'have'?)

If #7 is correct, why isn't #8 corrrect?
8. I never had this problem.
See post #64, examples 9. and 10.:-D
 
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