"I wouldn't stand it" vs "I wouldn't stand for it"

[optimistic pessimist]

Dear all,

A: Tom always makes fun of me in front of his friends.
B: If I were you, I wouldn't stand for it.

In the dialogue above, is the for in bold necessary? Since I sometimes encounter such expressions as "I can't stand it any more!", "I wouldn't stand it" sounds more natural to my ear.

Thank you!

OP

 

[teechar]

to stand for something = to accept it.
to stand something = to bear / tolerate it.
different !

 

[khanhhung2512]

to stand for something = to accept it.
to stand something = to bear / tolerate it.
different !

NOT A TEACHER
Actually, I don't really see the difference based on your answer.

 

[Roman55]

I am not a teacher.

Is that just an obsevation or do you really not see the difference?

If you put them in the negative the difference is even plainer.

To not stand for something = to not accept it. e.g. I won't stand for your insolence.'
To not stand something = to dislike it intensely. e.g. 'I can't stand your attitude.'

 

[khanhhung2512]

Is that just an observation or do you really not see the difference?

If you put them in the negative the difference is even plainer.

To not stand for something = to not accept it. e.g. I won't stand for your insolence.'
To not stand something = to dislike it intensely. e.g. 'I can't stand your attitude.'

NOT A TEACHER
What I meant was, based on teechar's answer, I didn't see much of a difference between "to accept" and "to tolerate". If you tolerate something, you'll have to accept it, or at least acquiesce.

As I see it, the biggest difference between "to stand for something" and "to stand something" is that the former usually goes with "will" while the latter with "can". So,
"I won't stand for it," implies I'm going to do something to change the situation.
"I can't stand it," means I hate it or I can't tolerate it, but it doesn't imply whether I'm going to do something about it.
That's also the point I want to emphasize because the thread's title is: "I wouldn't stand it." vs "I wouldn't stand for it." I don't suppose the one in bold sounds natural.

Then again, my English knowledge is based mainly on books and dictionaries, so I'd like to hear others' opinion as well.

 

[MikeNewYork]

Dear all,

A: Tom always makes fun of me in front of his friends.
B: If I were you, I wouldn't stand for it.

In the dialogue above, is the for in bold necessary? Since I sometimes encounter such expressions as "I can't stand it any more!", "I wouldn't stand it" sounds more natural to my ear.

Thank you!

OP

I would use "stand for it" in that context. That means you would not let it stand.

 

[probus]

"Thank you" for all the incorrect replies from those who are neither teachers nor native speakers. You are helping a lot (not).

I agree with MikeNewYork.

But as a slight aside "I wouldn't stand it" may have been equivalent to "I wouldn't stand for it" in some outdated or rare dialects of BrE.