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Belly T

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As Micheal said in Pratical English Usage,
Subject form+that
Object form+who

Ex: It was me that needs your help
It was I who needs your help
So, if I write :
It was John Lennon ___ wrote the song
a) who
b) that
Could you help?:up:
 

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First, I have two questions.

1) What does Swan mean by 'form', a pronoun?
2) Aren't the examples the opposite of what Swan is saying?

Subject form (e.g., I) + that
Object form (e.g., me) + who

Ex: It was me that needs your help. <object pronoun>
Ex: It was I who needs your help. <subject pronoun>

Help. :shock:
 

Belly T

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He said:" When a relative clause comes after an expression like It is/was smell. there are two possibilities:...."
It was I who needs your help is subject form
It was me that needs..... is object form
 

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OK. So, the usage note here is incorrect, right?

Usage
Subject form+that
Object form+who

It should be switched. Like this, right?

Usage
Subject form + who
Object form + that

Is that right?

In answer to your question, the name John Lennon is a noun, not a pronoun, or a 'form'. Either that or who would work. ;-)
 

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Right
But you haven't answer mine yet
So, if I write :

It was John Lennon ___ wrote the song

a) who

b) that

Could you help?
 

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In answer to your question, the name John Lennon is a noun, not a pronoun, or a 'form'. :flasings:Either that or who would work.:flasings: ;-)

Right
But you haven't answer mine yet
So, if I write :

It was John Lennon ___ wrote the song

a) who

b) that

Could you help?

What sense of 'haven't' is that? ;-)

b
 

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Sorry, Belly T, I'm tired today. :oops: Here's the answer you are looking for:

Specific: It was John Lennon who wrote the book. :tick:
General: It was John Lennon that wrote the book. :tick:

Here's the difference the way I see it. (I do not know what Swan thinks about the variation.) If John Lennon is the topic of the conversation, then speakers might use who as a specific reference marker. If John Lennon isn't the topic of the conversation, say, the conversation is about the book or even about some other famous person, then speakers might use that as a general reference marker to show that John Lennon isn't the topic of the conversation.

Note that, not every speaker feels its grammatical to use relative that with a person's name.
 
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