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myarmy
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Hi, every one. This is the first time I come here. You can call me "Leo". I come from China. I want to improve my ability of English. I wonder if it is a suitable goal.
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Hi, every one. This is the first time I come here. You can call me "Leo". I come from China. I want to improve my ability of English. I wonder if it is a suitable goal.
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myarmy
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Thanks, shane, my countrymen.
I haven't come to the forum before and don't know the way it plays.
I'm interested in many aspects so we can talk about many objects such as finance, sports, computer and so on.
I'd likely to find friends here.
I haven't come to the forum before and don't know the way it plays.
I'm interested in many aspects so we can talk about many objects such as finance, sports, computer and so on.
I'd likely to find friends here.
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myarmy
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Hi, everyone. Nice to know you.
Maybe we can talk about some things. We can exchange our point of views, in the meantime you can correct my poor English.
Am I right?
Maybe we can talk about some things. We can exchange our point of views, in the meantime you can correct my poor English.
Am I right?
I have taught "English" in China for more years than I care to mention.
We teach them "English" but they learn Chinglish.
The Chinese "English" student's favorite whine? "Professor, my English is so poor, how can I improve it?"
A quote from "China EFL: Questions - Questions - Questions,"
In response to this “whine” the foreign expert explains the difference between language learning through traditional “chalk and talk” teaching methodology with rote memorization as its core, and language acquisition through comprehensible input in a friendly English acquisition environment. The teacher explains the need for the student to take charge of their own learning experience and to become both responsible and accountable for free reading, free listening, free film or television watching, and constant oral practice. (Krashen 1989) The EFL/ESL teacher explains that English should be spoken during class breaks, in the dormitory, in the halls, in the cafeteria, and that questions of the Chinese English teachers should be asked in English and answers should be demanded in English.
During the next class break the foreign expert observes that the students are still communicating with each other in Chinese. That evening the foreign expert calls one of his student’s dormitory rooms to hear the phone answered “Wei! Ni Hao!.” The next day the foreign expert observes his students speaking Chinese in the cafeteria and asking Chinese English teachers’ questions in Chinese. Two of his students prepare a notice of English corner to be posted on the campus, and you guessed it, the notice is written in Chinese.
The following week, at the end of the class, the foreign expert asks the standard question: “Do you have any questions?” At least one student inquires, “My English is so poor, how can I make it better?” The foreign expert’s inaudible reply goes something like this: (You lazy no good for nothing S.O.B., why don’t you try getting off your dead a** and do a little work like reading, listening, and speaking more. You might also try coming to class more often. Do you honestly think your English will improve by repeating your stupid question every dam* week that you do decide to grace us with your presence in this class, which is not very often?) The audible reply goes like this: “You must read more, listen more and speak more. You may also try coming to class more often so you hear all of the lectures and do not ask for material to be repeated.” Of course, since most school libraries are lacking in English materials, this does require the student to search out their own learning materials.
We teach them "English" but they learn Chinglish.
The Chinese "English" student's favorite whine? "Professor, my English is so poor, how can I improve it?"
A quote from "China EFL: Questions - Questions - Questions,"
In response to this “whine” the foreign expert explains the difference between language learning through traditional “chalk and talk” teaching methodology with rote memorization as its core, and language acquisition through comprehensible input in a friendly English acquisition environment. The teacher explains the need for the student to take charge of their own learning experience and to become both responsible and accountable for free reading, free listening, free film or television watching, and constant oral practice. (Krashen 1989) The EFL/ESL teacher explains that English should be spoken during class breaks, in the dormitory, in the halls, in the cafeteria, and that questions of the Chinese English teachers should be asked in English and answers should be demanded in English.
During the next class break the foreign expert observes that the students are still communicating with each other in Chinese. That evening the foreign expert calls one of his student’s dormitory rooms to hear the phone answered “Wei! Ni Hao!.” The next day the foreign expert observes his students speaking Chinese in the cafeteria and asking Chinese English teachers’ questions in Chinese. Two of his students prepare a notice of English corner to be posted on the campus, and you guessed it, the notice is written in Chinese.
The following week, at the end of the class, the foreign expert asks the standard question: “Do you have any questions?” At least one student inquires, “My English is so poor, how can I make it better?” The foreign expert’s inaudible reply goes something like this: (You lazy no good for nothing S.O.B., why don’t you try getting off your dead a** and do a little work like reading, listening, and speaking more. You might also try coming to class more often. Do you honestly think your English will improve by repeating your stupid question every dam* week that you do decide to grace us with your presence in this class, which is not very often?) The audible reply goes like this: “You must read more, listen more and speak more. You may also try coming to class more often so you hear all of the lectures and do not ask for material to be repeated.” Of course, since most school libraries are lacking in English materials, this does require the student to search out their own learning materials.
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myarmy
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To MW:
Nice to meet you.
You know, there isn't stupid student in the world, there is stupid teacher in the world.
If you are a teacher, then it means that you are better at some aspect, especially in your major, than your students.
If you teach them "English", and what they learn is "Chinglish", it is a failure, maybe of yours, mustbe of your students.
Nice to meet you.
You know, there isn't stupid student in the world, there is stupid teacher in the world.
If you are a teacher, then it means that you are better at some aspect, especially in your major, than your students.
If you teach them "English", and what they learn is "Chinglish", it is a failure, maybe of yours, mustbe of your students.
Leo:
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink. You can only salt its mouth.
There are certain Chinese language structures which simply impede or hinder English proficiency. There are many journal articles published about this.
Then there are the lazy students about whom much has also been published.
And of course, there are the incompetent teachers and worse, the incompetent administrators who hinder everything by failing to provide an English acquisition or speaking environment.
EFL in China is in need of complete modernization through reform.
I sincerely hope that the people here will correct your Chinglish and that you will benefit greatly.
Warm regards,
Martin
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink. You can only salt its mouth.
There are certain Chinese language structures which simply impede or hinder English proficiency. There are many journal articles published about this.
Then there are the lazy students about whom much has also been published.
And of course, there are the incompetent teachers and worse, the incompetent administrators who hinder everything by failing to provide an English acquisition or speaking environment.
EFL in China is in need of complete modernization through reform.
I sincerely hope that the people here will correct your Chinglish and that you will benefit greatly.
Warm regards,
Martin
But...there are students who do in fact successfully learn English. :wink: As for students who've been studying for years and still can't seem to get the hang of it, several factors come into play, the most significant one being this: as long as English is viewed as a Brand, it will continue to be accepted as one. :wink:
ESL: English as a Second Language, a.k.a English for Survival (live it! Speak it!)
EFL: English as a Foreign Language, a.k.a English for Fun & Travel (Learn it! Lounge in it!)
EBL: English as a Brand Language, a.k.a teaching English in Asia(Everyone else is doing it so I have to do it, too!) :wink:
Here's to all the students in Asia and the World who have spent their time and energy on learning to communicate in a foreign language because it's what they want to do. They're all-stars! 8)
ESL: English as a Second Language, a.k.a English for Survival (live it! Speak it!)
EFL: English as a Foreign Language, a.k.a English for Fun & Travel (Learn it! Lounge in it!)
EBL: English as a Brand Language, a.k.a teaching English in Asia(Everyone else is doing it so I have to do it, too!) :wink:
Here's to all the students in Asia and the World who have spent their time and energy on learning to communicate in a foreign language because it's what they want to do.
They're all-stars! 8)
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myarmy
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To MW,
Thanks.
I think my old way of learning English is wrong.
Now I want to get more practice so I come to here.
Could you help me?
Thanks.
I think my old way of learning English is wrong.
Now I want to get more practice so I come to here.
Could you help me?
Casiopea:
Extrinsic and intrinsic motivation certainly effect learning and acquisition.
However, in China we only have learning, no acquisition.
Leo:
I have every confidence that everyone here will help you.
What did you watch on TV today? The correct answer should be Channel 9 CCTV.
What did you read today? The correct answer should be China Daily, Shanghai Daily or anything English.
What DVD did you last watch? Did you turn the sub-titles off? The correct answer should be that you watched an English movie with no sub-titles.
If you did not answer any one of the questions correctly, you are cheating yourself and your English will not improve.
Extrinsic and intrinsic motivation certainly effect learning and acquisition.
However, in China we only have learning, no acquisition.
Leo:
I have every confidence that everyone here will help you.
What did you watch on TV today? The correct answer should be Channel 9 CCTV.
What did you read today? The correct answer should be China Daily, Shanghai Daily or anything English.
What DVD did you last watch? Did you turn the sub-titles off? The correct answer should be that you watched an English movie with no sub-titles.
If you did not answer any one of the questions correctly, you are cheating yourself and your English will not improve.
Hi, all
Don't you think it's a trick set up by the government? China, Taiwan, perhaps Japan and Korean government claims that English is an international language and requests that everyone should learn it in order to make yourslef competitive in the labour market. What MW said, blame the government for irresponsible for providing its people with sufficient exposure to language environment. I have learned it for many years and I still don't get the government's intention at all. Why should students have to learn English in their lifetime,in the end, finding out English is not at all practical in their country? What a joke.
I think Chinlish is OK though as long as learners don't get cold feet when speaking English. I heard a student from ShangHai said even if she studies at the best senior high school, her English class is a nightmare. They have Chinese English teachers and foreign teachers. Students are all ears in any Chinese English teacher's class. And what would a foreigner's class be? Here is the classroom atmosphere.
Foreigner: Hi, Judy, how are you?
(Judy pretended to be a deaf and talked to her neighbors instead.)
(Student A was talking to Student B.)
(Student C, D, E, F, G, H were reading other books.)
(Student I was talking on the phone.)
(Student J was dozing off while Student K was in sound sleep.)
Foreigner: Well, it seems that Judy doesn't feel like answering my question, hm...I think she's just fine and maybe she went on a date last night but who knows...hm...let's ask Kevin. Kevin, where did you go last night?
Kevin pretended to be a deaf too.
Foreigner: (murmuring again and agian and again.) Class dismissed.
All you need is patience and keep cool. Good luck. And Leo, welcome to this forum. It is superb! But again, you have to find your own path.
Don't you think it's a trick set up by the government? China, Taiwan, perhaps Japan and Korean government claims that English is an international language and requests that everyone should learn it in order to make yourslef competitive in the labour market. What MW said, blame the government for irresponsible for providing its people with sufficient exposure to language environment. I have learned it for many years and I still don't get the government's intention at all. Why should students have to learn English in their lifetime,in the end, finding out English is not at all practical in their country? What a joke.
I think Chinlish is OK though as long as learners don't get cold feet when speaking English. I heard a student from ShangHai said even if she studies at the best senior high school, her English class is a nightmare. They have Chinese English teachers and foreign teachers. Students are all ears in any Chinese English teacher's class. And what would a foreigner's class be? Here is the classroom atmosphere.
Foreigner: Hi, Judy, how are you?
(Judy pretended to be a deaf and talked to her neighbors instead.)
(Student A was talking to Student B.)
(Student C, D, E, F, G, H were reading other books.)
(Student I was talking on the phone.)
(Student J was dozing off while Student K was in sound sleep.)
Foreigner: Well, it seems that Judy doesn't feel like answering my question, hm...I think she's just fine and maybe she went on a date last night but who knows...hm...let's ask Kevin. Kevin, where did you go last night?
Kevin pretended to be a deaf too.
Foreigner: (murmuring again and agian and again.) Class dismissed.
All you need is patience and keep cool. Good luck. And Leo, welcome to this forum. It is superb! But again, you have to find your own path.
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myarmy
Guest
Thanks you all.
In the end, I think I want more practice.
If I watch English movie without sub-titles, I couldn't understand. If I had watched 100 movies without understand, I think it couldn't improve my English.
So I want more practice with some understand, one step by one step.
That's what I come here.
In the end, I think I want more practice.
If I watch English movie without sub-titles, I couldn't understand. If I had watched 100 movies without understand, I think it couldn't improve my English.
So I want more practice with some understand, one step by one step.
That's what I come here.
The purpose of all language is effective communication.
“Pidgin” English is understood amongst the native Hawaiian people and it also enables them to effectively communicate with the English-speaking foreigners who are occupying their homeland.
“Singlish” is an effective form of English communication amongst the people of Singapore and their English speaking world trading partners, business associates and tourists.
In fact, almost every nation that has adopted English as a second language has developed a form of English that can be readily used by the lowest common denominator within its own people’s abilities to communicate and to still have effective communications with the native English speaker. Regional Englishes abound worldwide.
There may be some purists who look down upon “Chinglish” or anything less than “perfect English” but of course their definition of what perfect English is will also depend upon which of the 7 standard English forms they consider to be their native form or “pure English.” (Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary, 6th Edition.) There are some who argue that there are many more “standard Englishes.”
China is a developing Nation and is well within its rights to develop a form of English or regional English that best suits its general population’s need to communicate with each other as well as with native English speakers, while insisting on a more refined proper English or standard English, (Jiang Yajun, 1995) only for its official translators and some groups of professionals such as lawyers, accountants, scientists, medical doctors, etc. (Shanghai Star 10-24-02,).
Chinglish is not a bad thing! In point of fact, it is inevitable (Jiang Yajun, (1995)
Some professionals believe that as long as one knows 1,000 to 2,000 vocabularies, basic grammars, simple dialogues and the way to check into a dictionary or relevant software, he or she would be able to use English as an important tool in their future work and studies. (China Daily, 11/3/93) Certain Municipal Governments require all of their civil servants to have a minimum of 1,000 English words in their vocabulary. (China Daily, 10-05-02) This official policy forces Chinese speakers of Mandarin to sprinkle a few English words in to give a little English flavor to their Mandarin. This is nothing less than an officially sanctioned and promulgated form of Chinglish.
“Pidgin” English is understood amongst the native Hawaiian people and it also enables them to effectively communicate with the English-speaking foreigners who are occupying their homeland.
“Singlish” is an effective form of English communication amongst the people of Singapore and their English speaking world trading partners, business associates and tourists.
In fact, almost every nation that has adopted English as a second language has developed a form of English that can be readily used by the lowest common denominator within its own people’s abilities to communicate and to still have effective communications with the native English speaker. Regional Englishes abound worldwide.
There may be some purists who look down upon “Chinglish” or anything less than “perfect English” but of course their definition of what perfect English is will also depend upon which of the 7 standard English forms they consider to be their native form or “pure English.” (Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary, 6th Edition.) There are some who argue that there are many more “standard Englishes.”
China is a developing Nation and is well within its rights to develop a form of English or regional English that best suits its general population’s need to communicate with each other as well as with native English speakers, while insisting on a more refined proper English or standard English, (Jiang Yajun, 1995) only for its official translators and some groups of professionals such as lawyers, accountants, scientists, medical doctors, etc. (Shanghai Star 10-24-02,).
Chinglish is not a bad thing! In point of fact, it is inevitable (Jiang Yajun, (1995)
Some professionals believe that as long as one knows 1,000 to 2,000 vocabularies, basic grammars, simple dialogues and the way to check into a dictionary or relevant software, he or she would be able to use English as an important tool in their future work and studies. (China Daily, 11/3/93) Certain Municipal Governments require all of their civil servants to have a minimum of 1,000 English words in their vocabulary. (China Daily, 10-05-02) This official policy forces Chinese speakers of Mandarin to sprinkle a few English words in to give a little English flavor to their Mandarin. This is nothing less than an officially sanctioned and promulgated form of Chinglish.
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Ahmed88
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MW wrote
Mr Teacher
We have leant that with the adverb "today" we should use present perfect
What have you wached on TV today? for it is still today not yesterday
What have you read today?
I believe we use simple past with specific time expression in the past.
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Mr Teacher
We have leant that with the adverb "today" we should use present perfect
What have you wached on TV today? for it is still today not yesterday
What have you read today?
I believe we use simple past with specific time expression in the past.
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Ahmed88
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myarmy said:
Dear Leo
I lack the words in which I can welcome you.
You are most welcome. :hi:
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