[Grammar] no smoking

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What is 'no smoking' shortened from?

Here is my thought:

'no smoking' is shortened from 'no smoking is allowed'.

'no (= not any) smoking is allowed.' = 'any smoking is not allowed.'
 
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No smoking is allowed.
Smoking is not allowed.

I think 'any' is not needed.
 

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That's what it means, but it's just a formula used for that purpose. I don't think you can talk about it being shortened from something else. There used to be signs on buses when I was a boy that said, 'No spitting', and in the local public swimming pool you'd see 'No petting'.
 

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That's what it means, but it's just a formula used for that purpose. I don't think you can talk about it being shortened from something else. There used to be signs on buses when I was a boy that said, 'No spitting', and in the local public swimming pool you'd see 'No petting'.

Could I ask a grammar point?

'you can talk about it being shortened from something else.'

If I say '...
it shortened from something else.' , is it acceptable?
What is the difference between them?
 

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You say "you can talk about something (noun)".
You talk about it being shortened(gerund).
You don't talk about "it shortened"(wrong).

Signs are not necessarily in complete sentences.
They are meant to catch your attention and create impact.
Phrases are often used, e.g. "no smoking".
 
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You say "you can talk about something (noun)".
You talk about it being shortened(gerund).
You don't talk about "it shortened"(wrong).

I would think 'it shortened' means 'it (that is) shortened'.

''you can talk about it (that is) shortened from something else.''
 

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I would think 'it shortened' means 'it (that is) shortened'.

"You talk about it shortened..." is not correct.
Whatever it is, you need a noun or gerund phrase.
 
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