[Grammar] Notice

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Kotfor

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I know that the bare infinitive should be used with notice.
I didn't notice them arrive.


But I can see some examples with the infinitive with to as well
I didn't notice them to have arrived.

When is the second one used? What difference does it make?
 

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Your second example is unidiomatic. I would have said I didn't notice that they had arrived.
 

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I know that the bare infinitive should be used with "notice".
I didn't notice them arrive.


But I can see some examples with the infinitive with "to" as well
I didn't notice them to have arrived.

When is the second one used? What difference does it make?
The bare infinitive should be used with care, but not with "care". Try to quote your quoted words in some way, just as you have done with your example sentences.
 

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Your second example is unidiomatic. I would have said I didn't notice that they had arrived.

I think it is, but is it plain wrong?

On the contrary, we have noticed them to have arranged themselves in a seemingly highly organized and structured fashion, the cosmic foam.

Over the last 4 weeks his wife has noticed him to be more irritable, with poor concentration, confusion, bursts of...

The examples are from random books.
 
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