Pronunciation of "with"

[Anonymous]

Hi there,
I'm German and I don't know how to spell the word 'with' correctly, because I've already heard several possibilities.
1: with = wif
2: with = "th" like in thin
3: with = th = s (but this i think is definitely wrong)
5: with = th = d
6: = none of these.

The best would be to describe the "th".
Thanx

 

[Tdol]

It's not the same as 'thin'- it's voiced, which means there's a vibration in the throat. It's more like 'this'. 'Wid' is used in some regional varieties, especially black English and 'wiv' is used by many in London. ;-)

 

[RonBee]

Hi there,
I'm German and I don't know how to spell the word 'with' correctly, because I've already heard several possibilities.
1: with = wif
2: with = "th" like in thin
3: with = th = s (but this i think is definitely wrong)
5: with = th = d
6: = none of these.

The best would be to describe the "th".
Thanx

I use the second one, pronouncing the th like the th in math or both. Wif is heard sometimes. (It is also considered poor pronunciation.) Expect to hear wid spoken by people from the Bronx, but they also say fadder and mudder. :wink:

The third possibility might be spoken by someone who has difficulty making the th sound. Of course, that would make with sound like wish.

 

[dduck]

It's not the same as 'thin'- it's voiced, which means there's a vibration in the throat. It's more like 'this'. 'Wid' is used in some regional varieties, especially black English and 'wiv' is used by many in London. ;-)

Is there really a vibration with "with"? :shock:

I agree with RonBee's comments.
Iain

 

[Willbut]

I'd say it's there sometimes, but not always.

 

[dduck]

I'd say it's there sometimes, but not always.

What do you mean "not always"? Why does it change?
Iain

 

[Tdol]

It seems to me that the faster you say it, the more it picks up its voicing from the 'w' at the beginning. If it is more drawn out, it is less voiced. ;-)

 

[dduck]

Thanks, tdol, for the explanation.

Iain

 

[Tdol]

How do you say it? ;-)

 

[dduck]

I guess I say it like you. I was confused when you said with is voiced, because the discussion was about th. It's not easy for me to check as I'm sitting in a cybercafe as I type this, but I think the wi is voiced and the final part, th, isn't.

In Scotland we sometimes don't pronounce the final th, we use either wee or wi.

Whar yi goin' wi tha'?
Whar yi gaen wee tha'?

Iain

 

[Casiopea]

with

I say number 3 is standard, but I chose number 7 (all of the above, except for 6).

1: with = wif

Speakers of this particular pronunciation (e.g. Ebonics?) replace the voiceless inter-dental (tongue between the teeth) /th/ with a voiceless labio-dental (lip between the teeth) fricative /f/.

2: with = "th" like in thin as well as "th" as in the
Speakers of this particular pronunciation include North Americans and Europeans, including the me. Voiced /th/ and voiceless /th/ are in free variation. Speakers use both, even I use both.

3: with = th = s (but this i think is definitely wrong)

Speakers who pronounce /th/ as do so because this voiceless alveolar fricative () is the closest sound to /th/ in their native sound system.

5: with = th = d

Speakers of the pronounciation include the populace of Da Bronx! as has been already noted. The voiced inter-dental (tongue between teeth) /th/ is replaced by the voiced dental (tongue inside oral cavity) [d].

6: = none of these

7: = all of the above, except 6. :shock: 8)