Quests

[belly_ttt]

1) what is the differences between expel and deport?
2) I am looking for a word which describes activities that someone like some Hollywood Personalities often do (use drugs, illegal sex, corruption etc). Its state is disapproving which shows how much people looked down to them.

 

[heidita]

Its states is disapproving which shows how much people looked down to them.

I don't understand this sentence.

Expel may mean from a place (he was expelled from school) You deport people to their original country.

No idea why you want to use these words in the context given.

Happy New Year.

cheers

 

[Anglika]

1) what is the differences between expel and deport?
2) I am looking for a word which describes activities that someone like some Hollywood Personalities often do (use drugs, illegal sex, corruption etc). Its states is disapproving which shows how much people looked down to them.

#1 Expel and deport [in relation to immigration policies] are the same.

#2 I cannot think of a single word. You could say that xxxx has several vices, OR that xxxx has vicious tendencies. If you wanted to be more general, you could say "Hollywood is a vice-ridden society".

 

[belly_ttt]

May be the expression is lose yourself?
I'm sorry, heidita, it's a typo

 

[vil]

Hi belly_ttt,

There is no difference in mentioned above context between "expel" and "deport".

expel = to force to leave a country or place by official decree

synonyms: banish, deport, exile, expatriate.

to deport = to expel from a country

Concerning the summary word for the mentioned in your post above activities of some Hollywood personalities my brief answer is : I can't generalize that with one single word but I can do that with two words. The former Sodom and the latter Gomorrah.

I have read the following definition for Hollywood: "a wicked and deprived place" and further "...confirmed my fantasy of Hollywood as Oz and Gomorrah."

I concentrated my attention upon a few verbs which would be expedient for describing the measures of precaution in order to hamper development of mentioned of you above uncivilized , vicious activities of some immoral and overweening Hollywood personalities.

"During the whole of that time they (see above) have to be attacked, denounced, despised, hunted, harried, blamed, looked down upon, excoriated and flayed."

I hope you might find alone the meaning of these verbs.

Attention, heads up (do you know this idiom?), I smell a rat. (I am suspicious). I suspect that you have the intention (I remember you interest above towards the words "expel" and "deport") that you have the intention to build up a penitentiary ("house of correction") on Catalina Island only for immoral and vicious Hollywood personalities.

Be careful, you shouldn't forget where you live.

Regards.

V.

 

[belly_ttt]

Thanks all of you for answering my questions
@Vil: Sorry, I don't know the idiom head up (yet I can deduce from the context: Pay attention). But is there any expression in English somewhat like: Lose themselves etc.? About the last paragraph of yours

"Attention, head up (do you know this idiom?), I smell a rat. (I am suspicious). I suspect that you have the intention (I remember you interest above towards the words "expel" and "deport") that you have the intention to build up a penitentiary ("house of correction") on Catalina Island only for immoral and vicious Hollywood personalities.

Be careful, you shouldn't forget where you live. "

Are you trying to put the verb in the context? Thank you. However, why did you tell me: "should not forget where I live?", any specific verb need to put in this context?

 

[vil]

Hi belly_ttt,

@Vil: Sorry, I don't know the idiom head up (yet I can deduce from the context: Pay attention). But is there any expression in English somewhat like: Lose themselves etc.?

Sorry, I have slipped a "s" in my previous post. The properly expression is "heads up" which you could use as an adjective with the following meaning: "showing an alert, competent style" as in " play heads-up basketball" .

The idiom "Heads up" expresses "a warning to watch out for potential danger", as in

"Heads up, that tree is coming down now!"

Concerning your interest towards the expression "lose themselves" in the mentioned above context I have fabricated a better phrase "the lost souls". There was a film with similar title directed by Janusz Kaminski. There was also a Bulgarian feature film with similar title (produced 30 years before this one of America). The background problems in this film was the Civil war in Spain in 1936, where was a group of American intellectuals doctors and nurses. By the way there was touched the problem with the drugs.

The last my sentence is a friendly warning and reminder. U.S is a country of the unlimited possibilities and freedom of speech, but difficulties are liable to occur, if someone infringes a custom, and disturbs the peace.

Regards.

V.

 

[belly_ttt]

HI vil, of course I know that. But I never dream of sending those Hollywood personalities away to prision, you do not have to worry about that...
The lost soul is great, but it's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a verb or a phrase that has the same meaning as lose themselves

 

[vil]

Hi belly_ttt,

Your latter post poured oil on troubled water. I feel secure about your future in US.

I surmise that the sought after verb, which you looked for doggedly in the last time is "transgress"

transgress = pass beyond limits or boundaries ;
act in disregard of law and rules;
to refuse or fail to obey;
to violate a moral or divine law
to fail to fulfill (a promise) or conform to ( a regulation)
commit a sin

Regards.

V.

 

[Amigos4]

1) what is the differences between expel and deport?
2) I am looking for a word which describes activities that someone like some Hollywood Personalities often do (use drugs, illegal sex, corruption etc). Its state is disapproving which shows how much people looked down to them.

belly,

A significant number of Hollywood personalities are currently engaged in 'self-destructing' activities. Americans clearly recognize the 'self-destructive' behavior of these celebrities and the negative impact it is having upon our society.

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[vil]

Hi Amigos4,

Not for nothing you are a inhabitant of Tucson, a town with reputation for high culture and high technology, a center for opera, theater, ballet, symphony and visual arts.

I estimate highly the merits of your civic courage stigmatizing the "self-destructive" behaviour of some celebrities.

Regards.

V.

 

[heidita]

Hi Amigos4,

Not for nothing (I would suggest: not in vain) you are an inhabitant of Tucson, a town with a good reputation for high culture and high technology, a center for opera, theater, ballet, symphony and visual arts.


V.

I wonder if "not for nothing " is standard, it sounds like a translation from German to me, probably the same in your language, Vil.

Can a native confirm?

I believe, reputation definitely needs the article, but also an adjective. AS "a woman of a reputation" , as far as I remember, is a woman of doubtful reputation.

cheers

 

[belly_ttt]

Could you explain the idiom not in vain, heidita?

 

[Amigos4]

I wonder if "not for nothing " is standard, it sounds like a translation from German to me, probably the same in your language, Vil.

Can a native confirm?

I believe, reputation definitely needs the article, but also an adjective. AS "a woman of a reputation" , as far as I remember, is a woman of doubtful reputation.

cheers

Hi, Vil, heidita, and belly!

Vil, thank you very much for the kind words you said about me and about my city. Tucson is, indeed, a wonderful place to live and to raise a family!

Heidita, you are correct... 'not for nothing' is occasionally heard but it is not common usage. Because vil is giving me a compliment in his second paragraph, the opening line of his first paragraph could be : 'There is a reason...' instead of 'Not for nothing...'

Let me paraphrase vil's first paragraph: There is a reason you are an inhabitant of Tucson, a town with a reputation for high culture and high technology, a center for opera, theater, ballet, symphony and visual arts.

Heidita, in this case 'reputation' does need the article 'a'. However, the adjective is not required because the context of the paragraph is totally positive. Therefore, 'reputation' is understood to be favorable. Certainly, the optional use of an adjective would strengthen the sentence: 'Tucson is a city with a solid/positive/notable reputation for...'

belly, the expression 'not in vain' is used to indicate that there was value/worth/meaning to something. 'Because our many hours of work created a beautiful new home, our efforts were not in vain.' The flip-side to this concept is 'Because our many hours of work did not create a beautiful new home, our efforts were in vain.'

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[heidita]

Hi amigos4! It's a shame I don't know your city..full of nice people as it appears.

cheers

 

[Amigos4]

Hi amigos4! It's a shame I don't know your city..full of nice people as it appears.

cheers

Hi, heidita!

Someday you will have the pleasure of visiting my wonderful city! ;-)

The landscape in Tucson and southern Arizona is much different than what you will see in Spain and Germany! We have lots of giant cactus and strange looking animals and insects!

I see from your profile that you are in Spain. What city?

Cheers,
Amigos4

 

[heidita]

I see from your profile that you are in Spain. What city?

Cheers,
Amigos4

True, I would love to see all that. I live in MAdrid.

cheers

 

[belly_ttt]

Hi
Thanks for your wonderful explanation amigos. I think I've got it
So, as you said, we use reputation in this case with a postive meaning but I think naturally ( am I right to use naturally here or By nature instead? ), reputation has a postive meaning whilst notoriety may have the concept of the flip -side

 

[heidita]

Hi belly: I don't think reputation has by nature a positive meaning. Her some definitions:

the general estimation that the public has for a person

the state of being held in high esteem and honor

notoriety for some particular characteristic; "his reputation for promiscuity

As you can see, reputation is not necessarily positive.

I would use by nature, or originally in your sentence. Let's see if a native confirms.

cheers

 

[vil]

Hi Heidita,

Thank you for your refined style to mark the transgressors.:-(

I don't know where to put myself. There are three errors only within the framework of two short lines.

Until very recently I was a self-educated English student. A few months ago I knew about workings the present forum and now I am learning English language with the blessing help of many hard to please teachers, strict redactors an moderators, and gratuitous NES, as well as knowledgeable as you NNES.

Because of my hard eradicated routine and hard remediable bullheadedness I allow unceasingly many mistakes to slip in my post. On the other hand I have an emphatically fondness for unusual words and phrases. Unfortunately I don't put them sometimes on the proper place, which sure do stir up discontent by many readers of my posts.

I put my hope for improvement in close future.

Thank you also for your reasonable and edifying explanation.

Regards.

V.