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hi! is anybody here speaking Russian? I can insure you, you won't regret, this language is very beautiful!!

do you know how to say 'I love you' in Russian? it sounds like 'yellow blue bus'
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I'll remember that. ;-)
 

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Pretty_V said:
hi! is anybody here speaking Russian? I can insure you, you won't regret, this language is very beautiful!!

do you know how to say 'I love you' in Russian? it sounds like 'yellow blue bus'
:lol:

:multi: Russians are everywhere!!!!!!!! :hi:
 

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Tanja said:
Pretty_V said:
hi! is anybody here speaking Russian? I can insure you, you won't regret, this language is very beautiful!!

do you know how to say 'I love you' in Russian? it sounds like 'yellow blue bus'
:lol:

:multi: Russians are everywhere!!!!!!!! :hi:

From my university days,

Kak dela. (How are you?)
Ya dumaiyo. (I think)
Ya gavaru par Ruski ploha (I speak Russian terribly)

:oops:
 

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From my university days,

Kak dela. (How are you?)
Ya dumaiyo. (I think)
Ya gavaru par Ruski ploha (I speak Russian terribly)

:oops:

Wow!!! :up:
You learned Russian at the University?
 

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Tanja said:
Casiopea said:
From my university days,

Kak dela. (How are you?)
Ya dumaiyo. (I think)
Ya gavaru par Ruski ploha (I speak Russian terribly)

:oops:

Wow!!! :up:
You learned Russian at the University?

Yes. I did. In Canada. :D But it's terrible that I can't remember anything at all. I wanted to go to Russia, actually. I never made it though; Could have had something to do with my poor language skills. :lol:
 

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Of course as a native speaker i can't really judge, but in my opinion Russian is one of the most difficult languages. If I think how much information a foreigner who learns Russian should keep in mind and sometimes just guess the word formation....uuuuuhhh.... :? :shock: :roll:

And your memory is not that bad - your transcription is 98% accurate :up:
 

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Tanja said:
Of course as a native speaker i can't really judge, but in my opinion Russian is one of the most difficult languages. If I think how much information a foreigner who learns Russian should keep in mind and sometimes just guess the word formation....uuuuuhhh.... :? :shock: :roll:

And your memory is not that bad - your transcription is 98% accurate :up:

:lol: :lol: That's probably why I didn't do so well. :oops: :oops:

Speaking of languages, I think Portuguese is THE most difficult language to learn in terms of pronunication. :roll: But, then again, there's the Kung (Click language) in South America. What's with South American languages and pronunciation? :lol: As for writing systems, Russian is definitely one of the coolest systems: it's short and sweet 8) ; Chinese and Japanese are way too difficult--one has to know 20,000 symbols in order to be considered fluent in the language :!: Can you imagine learning 20,000 symbols? Agh. English has 26 symbols. I'm happy! (We learn to read fairly quickly.) My Japanese students say they are forever looking up symbols (i.e., kanji) in their dictionary. It's not easy--and moreover doesn't promote reading; if you're constantly having to look up words, your lose the energy to read. :cry: As for grammar, I think all languages are tough, with Native Languages spoken by First Nations peoples, such as the Navajo in Arizona being THE toughest. The verb can have 20 or more letters in length, and each letter or two letter pairs represent one meaning. :shock: Agh! No wonder the US military used it as their code language in WWII. No one, aside from the 'code-talkers' could figure it out. I think the best education a child could receive would include a Portuguese grandmother, a Kung grandfather, an Asian aunt, an English uncle, a Navajo father, and a Russian mother, of course. She knows how to cook great food!
 
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I'm a student of Russian.

Transliterated.

Zdrastvooetye, ya Marco. Ochen priyatna!

Ya zheevoo f san-frantsiska. Ya studient y ya rabotayoo v banke. Ya nimnoga gavaryoo pa-russki. A ya kharasho cheetayoo pa-russki. Ya ochen kharasho gavaryoo y chitayoo pa-ispanski y pa-frantsoozki tozhe.

That's about all I can say in this context. :) All the other stuff I can say is about family, jobs and stuff.

In my opinion, Russian is an extremely, EXTREMELY difficult language. It's not impossible but it does require constant practice. I don't remember who said that writing in Russian is "short and sweet" but from what I can tell it's nothing like that at all. Try spelling "please" or "in English". And good luck. Not to mention that verbs in Russian come in "cases" which is a pretty daunting concept overall.

I've only been studying it for about 6 months but I am HOOKED.

Soft signs, hard/soft consonants, masculine/feminine/neuter declensions, the absence of the verb "to be" and the absence of articles all add complexity to the language and I have to say, it's a total blast. :)

Ya tibya lyublyu, to the person asking if anyone knows how to say I love you in Russian :) (I think - at least it's one way to say it)

-Nah-
 

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Russian is my native language but English is my favorite.
Here is my thought: I am searching for the reason WHY is following happening when 10-11 y/old kids coming from Russia and learn how to speak English - they speak English of 2 years (for example) rather then Russian of 10-11 years... I asked WHY and response was "Because we speak Russian when it is absolutely nessesary"
There were 2 Russian girls in the room, no peer pressure whatsoever and I see it all the time with my friends kids. Is English "tastes" better?
However Ukrainian community here keeps their language spoken among all youngsters. Go figure... :shock:
 

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What do they speak at home?
 

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If parents know any English - kids speak English ofcourse.
If parents don't speak English - they will speak Russian to the parents and English between themselves (I mean siblings) - this is what interests me a lot!
You would think - WHY not to use your larger dictionary?
 

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A greater desire to integrate? It could also be a question of confidence. It is strange, however, to use a language you don't have a great command of in this way. You can't knock their desire to learn, though. ;-)
 

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clare said:
Russian is my native language but English is my favorite.
Here is my thought: I am searching for the reason WHY is following happening when 10-11 y/old kids coming from Russia and learn how to speak English - they speak English of 2 years (for example) rather then Russian of 10-11 years... I asked WHY and response was "Because we speak Russian when it is absolutely nessesary"
There were 2 Russian girls in the room, no peer pressure whatsoever and I see it all the time with my friends kids. Is English "tastes" better?
However Ukrainian community here keeps their language spoken among all youngsters. Go figure... :shock:

11-12 y.o. kids spend most of their time at school and hanging out with local friends where they speak and hear English only so they prefer to stick to it whenever they can even when speaking between themselves, it's pure laziness, you know why switch back and forth between languages when you can use just one and your point about their supposedly bigger russian vocab isn't really true, with vocab oftentimes its' the relevance that matters rather than the volume, at 10 thru 12 they're mixing with new local kids, picking up huge ammount of new vocab from them and all this new vocab is really relevant to them since it's about stuff they deal with daily while their Russian vocab gradually loses its relevance. So I wouldn't say it's because english necessarily tastes better, it's more puberty and all that stuff , these kids are in a period of their life where their peers beging to matter more and more to them than their parents so they just adapt to the envirnment where most of their time gets spent.
 

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Re: I'm a student of Russian.

Nahualli said:
Transliterated.

Zdrastvooetye, ya Marco. Ochen priyatna!

Ya zheevoo f san-frantsiska. Ya studient y ya rabotayoo v banke. Ya nimnoga gavaryoo pa-russki. A ya kharasho cheetayoo pa-russki. Ya ochen kharasho gavaryoo y chitayoo pa-ispanski y pa-frantsoozki tozhe.

That's about all I can say in this context. :) All the other stuff I can say is about family, jobs and stuff.

In my opinion, Russian is an extremely, EXTREMELY difficult language. It's not impossible but it does require constant practice. I don't remember who said that writing in Russian is "short and sweet" but from what I can tell it's nothing like that at all. Try spelling "please" or "in English". And good luck. Not to mention that verbs in Russian come in "cases" which is a pretty daunting concept overall.

I've only been studying it for about 6 months but I am HOOKED.

Soft signs, hard/soft consonants, masculine/feminine/neuter declensions, the absence of the verb "to be" and the absence of articles all add complexity to the language and I have to say, it's a total blast. :)

Ya tibya lyublyu, to the person asking if anyone knows how to say I love you in Russian :) (I think - at least it's one way to say it)

-Nah-

any language requires constant practice because with any language you either use it or lose it, the main dificulty is that Russian is a sybnthetic language as opposed to English being analytical, which means that in Russian the connections between words in sentences and the roles individual words each play in them are all primarily shown by the changing of the form of the word and for sobody trying to deliberately learn it the abundance of all these different forms, sugffixes and prefixes etc can be a real murder, yet infants pick it up in the same ammount of time as any other language.
So I'd say the problem is with how languages are learned rather than with the languages themselves. Theoretically if we could develop some special ways of learning synthetic languages like Russian they woudn't be such a problem any more.
Russian spelling is certainly closer to how Russian actually sounds than the english spelling.
Verbs come in conjuations which is a different concept than cases, cases are for nouns, I'd say though that the most idiotic thing about Russian verbs is that they have gender in the past tense like in ona sdelala eto/on sdelal eto (she did it/he did it) so arguably Russian is the most sexist language in the world cause I've never heard of any other language out there that makes such gender distinctions in verbs. Probalby Ukrainian and Belorussian have that too though.
 

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Yes, you're right... Ukrainian has this, too.
I am from Ukraine but speak russian almost always.
Maybe, henrylee100, that is really odd :) to have gender for verbs in the past...
But this languages (I mean, Russian for Russians, Ukrainian for Ukerainians) are our natives. So, getting our language vocabulary "with mother's milk", as said, we don't really think how to say it right... And believe me, those gender forms are not the most difficult thing :-D . There are some aspects that stop even native speaker thinking how to write or say right.

Is English Your native?

You've correctly noted, that English is analytical language... As one of our humorists says, in English you can say "I love you" only in one way - "I love you". That's information. You can't change the word order in that sentence. And in Russian and Ukrainian You can... As result, these languages are more emotional... Besides, for example, You can ask question just with changing Your intonation...

But I don't wanna make a discussion which language is better, really...
I like all languages I know - Ukrainian, my native, Russian, language of our neighbourhoods, English, international language, a little bit French, language of romance and love :), even Japanesse (that is really cool! and concerning to it I can say all words that English-speakers say about diffiuculty of Russian)!

English is language of Byron, Scott, Shakespeare...
Russian is language of Tolstoy, Pushkin...
Ukrainian is language of Shevchenko, Grinchenko, Kotlyarevskiy...
How can we find the best language?..
Although everyone thinks his native is, although language is really wonderful invention of mankind, we shouldn't forget that it is just instrument which aim is to make people closer, especially this became actual now...

P.S.: Sorry, it seems my post does not exactly fit the theme of the thread, I want to ask to excuse me for that little "philosophy" and time for Your reading...
И привет всем, кто меня поймёт! :-D
 

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I would really like to know how to say "I love you" in Russian the 'other' way?
Flexibility of the language depends on how well you know (it in my opinion).

Thanks
 

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Я тебя люблю.
Я люблю тебя.
Да люблю я тебя!..

But I agree with You...
I expressed my mind not fully correctly.
And now I think You are right...
 
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sunnyone said:
Yes, you're right... Ukrainian has this, too.
I am from Ukraine but speak russian almost always.
Maybe, henrylee100, that is really odd :) to have gender for verbs in the past...
But this languages (I mean, Russian for Russians, Ukrainian for Ukerainians) are our natives. So, getting our language vocabulary "with mother's milk", as said, we don't really think how to say it right... And believe me, those gender forms are not the most difficult thing :-D . There are some aspects that stop even native speaker thinking how to write or say right.
I was talking about the difficulties of learning it as a foreign language. I had a go at German in school and in German, just like in Russian there are three genders, my native language is Russian, so I personally have never had any problems with genders in Russian but my attept to learn German really gave me the opportunity to appreciate the kind of difficulties that foreign learners of Russian have to go thru with genders. For example the word girl in German, in defiance of all logic and intuition, is neuter - das Madchen. Frau is feminine but Weibe, the technical word meaning female, is again neutral gender so you're supposed to say das Madchen and das Weibe rather than die Machen and die Weibe, even though your gut is telling you it has to be die because a woman is a she rather than an it. And then there are all those inanimate words like table and chair etc all of which have genders. This can be quite a nightmare, believe me.


You've correctly noted, that English is analytical language... As one of our humorists says, in English you can say "I love you" only in one way - "I love you". That's information. You can't change the word order in that sentence. And in Russian and Ukrainian You can... As result, these languages are more emotional... Besides, for example, You can ask question just with changing Your intonation...
actually you can toss them around a little bit, or use different patterns to focus in on a particular word like
it's you I love
love you with all my heart I do
Watch any of the star wars movies that feature master Yoda and check out how he speaks. In addition you can change intonation all you want in english. Actually you can't really take Zadornoff seriously when he talks about how all americans are idiots or especially when launches into his tirades about how English is inferiour to Russian, it's the talk of a man whose knowledge of English is extremely superficial. I remember hearing him say in one of his monologues that Americans don't have the notion of sense of humor but I have personally heard heaps of americans compliment each other and myself on having a good/peculiar/interesting etc sense of humor. My guess is Zadornoff must have never been complimented by americans on his sense of humor and thus he assumed they simply dont have such a notion at all

But I don't wanna make a discussion which language is better, really...
I like all languages I know - Ukrainian, my native, Russian, language of our neighbourhoods, English, international language, a little bit French, language of romance and love :), even Japanesse (that is really cool! and concerning to it I can say all words that English-speakers say about diffiuculty of Russian)!
Japanese and Chinese arenot really too hard grammatically, in fact chinese has one of the most streamlined grammars of all natural languages, especially the word formation and how it's interrelated the symbols they use for words.

English is language of Byron, Scott, Shakespeare...
Russian is language of Tolstoy, Pushkin...
Ukrainian is language of Shevchenko, Grinchenko, Kotlyarevskiy...
How can we find the best language?..
Although everyone thinks his native is, although language is really wonderful invention of mankind, we shouldn't forget that it is just instrument which aim is to make people closer, especially this became actual now...
how come you forgot to mention Lesya Ukrainka
 
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