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In plural form, sometimes the end of the word is pronounced as "s" and sometimes "z".
Is there a certain rule to follow?
For example,
in "the crusades",
should it be "-dis", "-diz", "-ds" or "-dz"?
 

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Eway said:
In plural form, sometimes the end of the word is pronounced as "s" and sometimes "z".
Is there a certain rule to follow?
For example,
in "the crusades",
should it be "-dis", "-diz", "-ds" or "-dz"?

:) Rule :)

After voiced sounds (b,d,g,n,m,l) the letter <s> is pronounced [z]:

tabs = tab[z]
dads = dad[z]
dogs = dog[z]
buns = bun[z]
hams = ham[z]
halls = hall[z]

After voiceless sound (p,t,k), the letter <s> is pronounced :

taps = tap
hats = hat
racks = rack

After the sounds s,z,sh,j the letters <es> are pronounced [Iz], as in "his":

glasses = glass[Iz]
buzzes = buzz[Iz]
dishes = dish[Iz]
garages = gara[jIz] *note, 'g' is pronounced [j]
badges = bad[jIz] *note, 'g' is pronounced [j]

All the best,
 

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That's very clear.
Thanks a lot! :D
 

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Ah, wait a minute...
In my book, the phonetic symbol for the "s" in "forelimbs" is "s" instead of "z".
Is this a different case from "hams"?
Or my book got it wrong?
 

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Eway said:
Ah, wait a minute...
In my book, the phonetic symbol for the "s" in "forelimbs" is "s" instead of "z".
Is this a different case from "hams"?
Or my book got it wrong?

forelimbs = forelimb[z]
hams = ham[z]

Your book has a typographical error. It should be [z], not .

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Just two more questions on this topic...

1.In my book, again, it says the "s" in "casinos" is pronounced "s"...
But, shouldn't "o" be a voiced sound and "s" here pronounced "z"?

2.Would you say "closets" and "clothes" rhyme with each other as they are pronounced "s" and "z"?
 
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1. Casinos is pronounced with a "z."

2. I will tell you that they don't rhyme, but I'm not sure how to explain it so I'll leave that to someone else. :)
 

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Eway said:
Just two more questions on this topic...

1.In my book, again, it says the "s" in "casinos" is pronounced "s"...
But, shouldn't "o" be a voiced sound and "s" here pronounced "z"?

2.Would you say "closets" and "clothes" rhyme with each other as they are pronounced "s" and "z"?

1. The first <s> is pronounced and the second <s> is pronounced [z]:
casinos => [kaesinoz]

2. The <o> in 'closets' is pronounced [a] (i.e. cl[a]sets]) and the <o> in 'clothes' is pronounced [o] (i.e. cl[o]thes):

closets => cl[a][z]et, clothes => cl[o]the[z] (The 'e' is silent)

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Err...hmm...thank you for the reply.
But do and [z] rhyme with each oterh? :(
 
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