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[zoobinshid]

Hello everybody,
Would you please tell me if there is any circumstance in which we can say(some you guys) instead of(some ofyou guys)?

Thanks in advance:-D

 

[David L.]

Re: some or some of

No - it's always 'some of you guys'.
The only time you would not use this, is within my hearing range please!
I have a revulsion for this Americanism where boys and girls are referred to collectively in this way.

 

[Stilo]

Re: some or some of

Hi Zoobinshid
DL is correct, I do not like many of the American words, but "guys" is a word I use when talikng to friends, it has crept in my vocabulary. Just another point it is correct to say "some guys" i.e. "Some guys have all the fun" but some you guys is not correct
Take care
Stilo

 

[Neillythere]

I agree with Stilo.

If you really do want to avoid using the term "guys", I would regularly use "folks", as in "Some folks have all the fun" or (in mixed gender emails) "Hi folks!"

 

[NearThere]

Re: some or some of

No - it's always 'some of you guys'.
The only time you would not use this, is within my hearing range please!
I have a revulsion for this Americanism where boys and girls are referred to collectively in this way.

lol david, that's funny.

Could you expand on your last part of your statement?

thank you

NT

 

[susiedqq]

I don't like it when the waitress comes up to the table and says "Hi Guys" or "I'm going to be your guy's server."

I'm not sure why I find it so offensive; it is a teenybopper/20's something expression that has entered the mainstream.

 

[NearThere]

I missed Stilo and NeillyThere's replies before I posted the previous message. I see what's going on.

David, I'm guilty as charged, I use "guys" all the time, I really did think "guys" is used for both boys and girls. Oh no, all girls that I have offended unknowingly.......

Yet, here's another question. How about the term "mates" in British English, is it gender-specific too?

Thanks
NT

 

[Neillythere]

"Mates"?
Not necessarily gender specific, as such, but, dare I say, in this context:
a "guy's" best friends or mates are likely to be "guys" and
a "girl's" best friends or mates, "girls", because of common interests.
True?

 

[susiedqq]

In the US, this "guys" talk is generic for "everybody"

 

[David L.]

In UK and Australia, from adolescence onward, 'mates' is strictly male. Girls would would refer to 'friends' or 'girlfriend(s)'.
Children have 'playmates', and this holds be they male or female.

 

[stuartnz]

In UK and Australia, from adolescence onward, 'mates' is strictly male.

In the UK, perhaps, but I would not accept that this is true of Australian usage. I'm not a teacher, and I come from the side of the Tasman where having a criminal record was never a requirement for entry, but the use of "mate" to describe a female friend is not uncommon in the Antipodes. A Google search for "she's a mate" returns around 36,000 hits, most from Australia, which did not surprise me. If you mean that word is only used by males, that might be more nearly accurate of Australasian usage, but it definitely not confined to being used of males. Often a guy might use it of a female friend to emphasise the platonic nature of the friendship, or even as a compliment, "she's not just a girl, she's a mate".

 

[Neillythere]

Yes.
I agree with "stuartnz".

I'm a Brit with an "expat" background and would regularly have heard the term "mates" being applied to the fairer sex, but probably almost exclusively by males, as in:

"Where's your wife?" "Oh, she's gone out with her mates".

Whilst most of the dictionaries that I have checked tend to favour usage by or about males, the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, accessed via "askoxford.com", didn't specifically orientate it to males [noun 1 [SIZE=-1]Brit.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]informal[/SIZE] a friend or companion].

 

[NearThere]

To English speakers American, Australian and Brits alike: so in essence, I wouldn't have scarred those people for life had I referred to them as "mates" or "guys", right?

NT

 

[Neillythere]

Yes, but don't tell David. Hee hee! :-D

 

[stuartnz]

To English speakers American, Australian and Brits alike: so in essence, I wouldn't have scarred those people for life had I referred to them as "mates" or "guys", right?

NT

You wouldn't have scarred us Kiwis either, except by omitting us like so many tend to do. :-D

 

[NearThere]

You wouldn't have scarred us Kiwis either, except by omitting us like so many tend to do. :-D

Kiwis--is it some kind of nickname for some group of people. I thought you're Autralian.

Pardon my ignorance.

NT

wait a minute, are you referring to NZlanders?

 

[stuartnz]

Kiwis--is it some kind of nickname for some group of people. I thought you're Autralian.

Pardon my ignorance.

NT

wait a minute, are you referring to NZlanders?

Yes, "Kiwi" with a capital "K" refers to a New Zealander. "kiwi" with a small "k" refers to our national bird, and NZ law requires us to hunt down and kill like a dog anyone who calls a NZer an Australian. You have been warned. :-D:-D

 

[NearThere]

Yes, "Kiwi" with a capital "K" refers to a New Zealander. "kiwi" with a small "k" refers to our national bird, and NZ law requires us to hunt down and kill like a dog anyone who calls a NZer an Australian. You have been warned. :-D:-D

Phew, I was close, wasn't I? Guardian angel has been working hard for me.

Thanks for the explanation. Gee, I thought I knew little, just didn't realize the depth of my know-little.:-|

NT

 

[stuartnz]

Thanks for the explanation. Gee, I thought I knew little, just didn't realize the depth of my know-little.:-|

NT

You're in good company. Here's a great quote on this very subject:

Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
- Will Durant

 

[NearThere]

Wow, stuartz. I just had a quick peak on that site and read some amazing and inspiring quotations. Thanks. I've bookmarked it.

NT