such as II

[navi tasan]

Consider:
I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


Which is the case:

a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made

 

[MikeNewYork]

Consider:
I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


Which is the case:

a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made

I don't like the sentence.

One could say "I didn't make such big mistakes" (in the past, etc.).

There is already a comparison in there. It doesn't work with "as you did".

We would say "I didn't make mistakes as big as you did." or
"I didn't make a mistake as big as yours."

 

[blacknomi]

Consider:
I didn't make such big mistakes as you did.


Which is the case:

a-I did make mistakes, but not big mistakes; you made big mistakes
b-I did make big mistakes, but not as big as the ones you made

I don't like the sentence.

One could say "I didn't make such big mistakes" (in the past, etc.).

There is already a comparison in there. It doesn't work with "as you did".

We would say "I didn't make mistakes as big as you did." or
"I didn't make a mistake as big as yours."

I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


Dialog
Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

 

[MikeNewYork]

I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


Dialog
Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

etc.

 

[MikeNewYork]

I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


Dialog
Speaker A: Ron's going to far! It's ridiculous.

Speaker B: Yeah, he's making wave this time.

Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

etc.

 

[blacknomi]

I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


Dialog
Speaker A: Ron's going too far! It's ridiculous.

Speaker B: Yeah, he's making waves this time.

Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

etc.

Mike, I'm wondering that sometimes you said you don't like the sentence? What do you mean by saying so? Does somebody else like it? Or it's just idiosyncrasy? The sentence is grammatically right, isn't it?

I won't make such a huge mistake as he did. 'did' functions as 'verb phrase substitution' of the action happened before, which is 'he made a huge mistake.'

Similiar examples
1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)



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[blacknomi]

I think it depends on different situation.Right? Two people are discussing about Ron.


Dialog
Speaker A: Ron's going too far! It's ridiculous.

Speaker B: Yeah, he's making waves this time.

Speaker A: I'll say! I won't make such a huge mistake (as he did)

Sometimes, it depends on the target person you are talking about.

For me, it still doesn't work with "as he did".

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post.

etc.

Mike, I'm wondering that sometimes you said you don't like the sentence? What do you mean by saying so? Does somebody else like it? Or it's just idiosyncrasy? The sentence is grammatically right, isn't it?

I won't make such a huge mistake as he did. 'did' functions as 'verb phrase substitution' of the action happened before, which is 'he made a huge mistake.'

Similiar examples
1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)



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[Francois]

I agree with professor Mike. Your sentence doesn't look good to me either (idiosyncrasy is a bit weird in that context too). I actually don't think it is grammaticaly correct (to be confirmed).

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post

Those are fine (of course).

1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)

Only 3. looks ok to me (I would use 'stories' though).

FRC

 

[Francois]

I agree with professor Mike. Your sentence doesn't look good to me either (idiosyncrasy is a bit weird in that context too). I actually don't think it is grammaticaly correct (to be confirmed).

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did.
I won't make a similar mistake.
I won't make such a huge mistake when I post

Those are fine (of course).

1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)

Only 3. looks ok to me (I would use 'stories' though).

FRC

 

[navi tasan]

I think it would be better to put a comma in 1 and 2.

1a-I had a great time, as everybody did.
or:
1b-I had a great time, as did everybody.
(unless you want to say that you did it in the same manner as everybody else, which is a strange thing to say.)

2a-I made a stupid mistake, as Susan did.
or:
2b-I made a stupid mistake, as did Susan.

Again, your sentence would be Ok if you made the mistake in the same manner as Susan.


François is right. You have to say "a story" or "stories" in 3, but I really think that is a typo.

As for 4, I think you need "as" instead of "like". But I think Mike might disagree and throw the sentence away lock, stock and barrel.

4a-"I can't tell an interesting story such as yours."
might be the best choice.

I'd like to know what native speakers and especially Mike think of all this though.

I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not myself!

 

[navi tasan]

I think it would be better to put a comma in 1 and 2.

1a-I had a great time, as everybody did.
or:
1b-I had a great time, as did everybody.
(unless you want to say that you did it in the same manner as everybody else, which is a strange thing to say.)

2a-I made a stupid mistake, as Susan did.
or:
2b-I made a stupid mistake, as did Susan.

Again, your sentence would be Ok if you made the mistake in the same manner as Susan.


François is right. You have to say "a story" or "stories" in 3, but I really think that is a typo.

As for 4, I think you need "as" instead of "like". But I think Mike might disagree and throw the sentence away lock, stock and barrel.

4a-"I can't tell an interesting story such as yours."
might be the best choice.

I'd like to know what native speakers and especially Mike think of all this though.

I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not myself!

 

[MikeNewYork]

Mike, I'm wondering that sometimes you said you don't like the sentence? What do you mean by saying so? Does somebody else like it? Or it's just idiosyncrasy? The sentence is grammatically right, isn't it?

Usually, when I say I don't like a sentence, it means that I think it is incorrect. Every now and then it just means that it is clumsy.

I won't make such a huge mistake as he did. 'did' functions as 'verb phrase substitution' of the action happened before, which is 'he made a huge mistake.'

No, it is not correct. We use the compund conjunction as....as to make a comparison. Or we use "such" to make a comparison. We don''t use them together.

I won't make as huge a mistake as he did. (Note the use of the word "huge" before the indefinitie article. This is an unusual construction.)

I won't make such a huge mistake. (The comparison is implied.)

Similiar examples
1. I had a great time as everybody did. (correct)
2. I made a stupid mistake as Susan did. (correct)
3. I can't tell story as interestingly as you do. (correct)
4. I can't tell such an interesting story like yours. (correct)



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1. I had as great a time as everybody else (had). (comparison)
1. I had a great time, as everybody did. (no comparison) (all had fun)

2. I made as stupid a mistake as Susan (made). (comparison)
2. I made a stupid mistake, as Susan did. (no comparison) (both made mistakes)

3. I can't tell a story as interestingly as you (do). (comparison)
3. I can't tell as interesting a story as you (do). (comparison)

4. I can't tell such an interesting story. (implied comparison)
4. I can't tell an interesting story like yours.

Does that help?

 

[blacknomi]

I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not myself!

Thank you for the details, navi tasan.

I can't figure out your last sentence. Do you mean you don't trust yoursefl? It's sounds grammatically incorrect, but I could be wrong.

 

[Francois]

Yes, as a non-native speaker he/she doesn't trust himself/herself -- especially himself/herself

FRC

 

[blacknomi]

4. I can't tell an interesting story like yours.

Does that help?

Yes, that helps.

Question 1
How do you like my following sentences?
1-a. I won't make such a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison
1-b. I won't make a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison


Question 2
1. I am as tall as you (are) -->comparison
2. Jack is as perfect as John (is). -->comparison
==>I've noticed that the adjective in #1 is gradable, whereas the adjective in #2 is non-gradable.

3. I am taller than you are. -->comparison
4. Jack is more perfect than John is. --> comparison but weird, because I ==>think 'perfect' is an adjective that reaches its extreme. 'More' clashes with 'perfect'. Is that correct?


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[MikeNewYork]

Question 1
How do you like my following sentences?
1-a. I won't make such a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison
1-b. I won't make a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison

1-b is great.

1-a That such has got to go! :wink:

Question 2
1. I am as tall as you (are) -->comparison
2. Jack is as perfect as John (is). -->comparison
==>I've noticed that the adjective in #1 is gradable, whereas the adjective in #2 is non-gradable.

3. I am taller than you are. -->comparison
4. Jack is more perfect than John is. --> comparison but weird, because I ==>think 'perfect' is an adjective that reaches its extreme. 'More' clashes with 'perfect'. Is that correct?


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1. good
2. OK. It is a bit strange, but I'd take it.

3. good.
4. More clashes with perfect in many contexts, but not all. For example.

John would be perfect for the role of Hamlet.
I think Fred would be more perfect.

When perfect refers to matching the rewuirements of a standard, I see the word as somewhat gradable.

 

[RonBee]

I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not myself!

Thank you for the details, navi tasan.

I can't figure out your last sentence. Do you mean you don't trust yoursefl? It's sounds grammatically incorrect, but I could be wrong.

No, I don't think you are wrong. In that form we would use me and not myself. The word myself would not be acting as a reflexive pronoun in that sentence. Try:

• I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not me!

Or:

• I never trust a non-native speaker, and I specially don't trust myself.

(Although the meaning comes through, the grammar is, I think, incorrect.)

8)

 

[blacknomi]

Question 1
How do you like my following sentences?
1-a. I won't make such a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison
1-b. I won't make a huge mistakes like his. -->comparison

1-b is great.
1-a That such has got to go! :wink:

And this?
Speaker A: I won't make such a huge mistake!

Speaker B: What mistakes?

Speaker A: Like yours. :?:



I understand the "perfect" part now. Thank a bunch.

 

[blacknomi]

I never trust a non-native speaker, specially not me!
I never trust a non-native speaker, and I specially don't trust myself.

(Although the meaning comes through, the grammar is, I think, incorrect.)

Hi, Bee

Can I omit 'not' in your first sentence?

 

[Tdol]

Omit away.;-)