The Devil is gonna be back!!!!!

[Cooler]

Oh? He's a member of revolution movement? I can see any sort of articles by means of 动态网. But now, I really have none of spirits of patriotism. Trust me, revolution can never work it out. Do you know a scene among Lu Xun's books in which a crowd of Chinese assembled to watch revolutionists' deaths, who had been dreaming of liberate China as well as Chinese. Now you know what happened at the early era of 20th, right? They lagughed at those revolutionists and had none of pities on them. You know what? They would do so forever unless you become their authorities finally. So I had been disappointed with Chinese and China. All I wanna do is to change my nationality.

Yu Jie is quite independent. He now calls himself "freelance".
I get your point, though I don't agree with some part of it. I want to say that we choose our own way to live. That is our difference, and I don't think it is anything bad.
:wink:

 

[MikeNewYork]

I like your signature. I am an American and the US Constitution (modeled, by the way, after the British Magna carta) is our most precious document. I want you to know, however, that many non-Americans (and some Americans) fail to understand that this document governs only the relationship between the people and the federal government. It is has little to do with people to people interactions or the behavior of private (non-government) organizations. It was designed to protect citizens from an overbearing federal state (as the writers believed the monarchy in England at that time to be). :wink:

Really? But I learned from a book in which indicated that any American can express their ideas even if those're very extreme or racism in public only if they didn't commit a crime. So through it now American could be very tolerable to any kind of theories. Is it not true?

Americans are reasonably tolerant, but each person has his/her own limits. The First Amendment prohibits the government from making it a crime to express opinions, even unpopular ones. One cannot be arrested for racist speech or anti-government speech. But that only protects someone from arrest and criminal prosecution. If a teacher makes racist comments in a classroom, she/he can be fired. If an employee makes derogatory remarks about the boss, he/she can be fired. If a customer in a bar or restaurant starts using offensive speech, he/she can be barred from the premises. Students in school are not allowed to say whatever they please. The First Amendment deals only with legal and government consequences.

And I'd thought here was a virtual land too. Red5 is an administrator. Also here is a public forum? Now I'm not sure about this. If it's not I'm really sorry because I didn't have experience connect and talk with foreigners. All I know about you guys and societies are from books, which was pretty interesting for me.

This forum is public, because it is on the Internet. But it is a private enterprise, in that it has nothing to do with government. Along with membership, comes rules and responsibilities. These are set by the owners of the forum. Red and TDOL are wonderful hosts and very tolerant people. It has been their experience, and mine, that certain subjects do not work well on an English language forum. As hosts, they have asked the members to avoid those subjects that are outside the intended scope of this forum. That has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

I brought this up so that you could better understand the statement in your signature. :wink:

 

[eric2004]

Yu Jie is quite independent. He now calls himself "freelance".
I get your point, though I don't agree with some part of it. I want to say that we choose our own way to live. That is our difference, and I don't think it is anything bad.
:wink:

Oh, he's never feeling desperate? I can't be like that but I really respect him and you. I'm tired to qurrel with Chinese and I really hate to be called traitor or banana. So I've changed my mind. What if I dont' care about Chinese chores totally? What if my offspring dont' even accept Chinese education and Chinese language. Then neither my kids nor me would have to face to be scolded by Chinese.

Yeah, it's not bad thing. :wink: But can you tell me what make you still have strong feelings about patriotism? Nobody sweared at you before?

 

[eric2004]

[quote="MikeNewYork]
I brought this up so that you could better understand the statement in your signature. :wink:[/quote]

Yes, now I understand I couldn't defend myself using First Amendment. I made a very stupid mistake, didn't I? Here is even a British website.

So let me ask you some questions, please. Will you deleted somebody's account in any kind of websites if he or she criticizes your government or country?

I knew before that I should post my articles into General Members Discussions. But I guess it can't work well yet, coz somebody didn't like that too. So Red strongly suggest me to change my signature of a comment towards CCP. But I felt it's more like a warning or persuasion to let me "shut up". I don't know your rules. And Chinese hosts would post rules on top of every page. such as "no porn, no politics, no religion. no offensive words to party, government." I didn't see such words here even now. So I just thought I could say what I want to say. I'm still wrong,ain't I?

I've got used to be deleted by moderators of forums. Maybe it'd be a pleasure that a foreign forum is added into my list. :lol:

Whatever, we'll see. Btw, could you give me some forums where allow people free speech? It'd be very nice to me. Thanks

 

[eric2004]

Aha, I found where the rules are.
Yep, you're right. Red and Tdol are enough tolerable for me.
I would have been kicked out as fast as possible if i were not here.

But I'm really wondering how many people here have been disgusting me? Please tell me, Red or Tdol.

 

[Cooler]

Oh, he's never feeling desperate? I can't be like that but I really respect him and you. I'm tired to qurrel with Chinese and I really hate to be called traitor or banana. So I've changed my mind. What if I dont' care about Chinese chores totally? What if my offspring dont' even accept Chinese education and Chinese language. Then neither my kids nor me would have to face to be scolded by Chinese.

Yeah, it's not bad thing. :wink: But can you tell me what make you still have strong feelings about patriotism? Nobody sweared at you before?

What makes you feel that "I still have strong feelings about patriotism"? :wink: Just like you, I've went through quite a lot of argument, in which I have inevitably been called "traitor" or something like that. I barely know you, so I may not be able to understand what you have went through. I don't want to be offensive, but I'd say that I don't understand that you despair of our nation, our people so much that you even don't want your descendants to learn Chinese language. Lu Xun never despaired(in my opinion, "desperate" is not the proper word here :wink: ); If he did, he would have stayed in Japan but not chose to come back to his country and we wouldn't be able to read his works now.

Please don't get me wrong. I am definitely not trying to argue with you. I also don't think it is a good idea to continue this topic. If you want, please conduct it in private messages.
:wink:

 

[MikeNewYork]

[quote="MikeNewYork]
I brought this up so that you could better understand the statement in your signature. :wink:

Yes, now I understand I couldn't defend myself using First Amendment. I made a very stupid mistake, didn't I? Here is even a British website.

It's OK. You had no way of knowing that.

So let me ask you some questions, please. Will you deleted somebody's account in any kind of websites if he or she criticizes your government or country?

I wouldn't delete a post just because someone criticizes my government/country. I would respond. But that is part of the problem. After I respind, the original poster will respond to me, and on and on. If political discussions crop up in the forum, then it is no longer about language. Many people hate to discuss politics and many of those leave political forums. So, as a policy, we will delete posts by anyone who doesn't stick to the forum's subject.

And Chinese hosts would post rules on top of every page. such as "no porn, no politics, no religion. no offensive words to party, government." I didn't see such words here even now. So I just thought I could say what I want to say. I'm still wrong,ain't I?

Yes, you are. :wink:

I've got used to be deleted by moderators of forums. Maybe it'd be a pleasure that a foreign forum is added into my list. :lol:

:lol:

Whatever, we'll see. Btw, could you give me some forums where allow people free speech? It'd be very nice to me. Thanks

There are many political forums in the Internet. Try http://forums.delphiforums.com and search on "politics". :wink:

 

[eric2004]

Dear cooler, I know your feelings and I totally understand what you mean. But... I lost my confidence very long before. I just don't want to be involved in trouble of what I can't help speaking.

Our language, useless to compete the advanced culture and science.

My kids. I just don't want them to experience what I did.

If you wish, please contact me with msn or yahoo. It's really my hornor to know you. But we don't need talk this. Ok? I'm tired. I wanna quit the argument too. I just wanna leave, far away from Chinese world. Hmm, mainland Chinese.

Mike, why people hate to talk politics? even in America? I think politics can influence the whole country or even an entire world. And surely there are some people right, some not.

What's the main goal for us to learn English? To take me an example, I wanna know western world, I wanna immigrate, I wanna go into a new society.
So I seldom asked a question merely to focus on language. I want to make me clear and I want to communicate. It's not right? I only talk such topics in my post. And I'd never disturbed others posts by such topics. So who's fault if my words offend somebody?

It's why I respect Sir Ron so much. He never suggested me to shut up. But maybe just because of this, I'd given him a trouble sometimes. Then I decided to leave but now I'm back because........
They didn't mean to drive me away. I thought of this. Now I'm not sure again.

Whatever, I can try to change a little. But it's all of you who gave in to the evil. Offensive again? Sigh, evil is always evil, no matter what they protest or deny.

I'll focus on language problems here and find a free forum from the place you told me. Thank you, Mike and expect to be taught by you.

Btw, where's Ron? He's lost for several days yet. Is it my fault?

 

[RonBee]

Eric, I did not make myself clear. What I was really asking is, do the authorities in your country erect some kind of barriers to your application because of your thoughts? Not knowing much about visa application, I have no idea what a role the authorities play in it.
(I assume it is OK to talk about it without mentioning any specifics)

I must say I really admire your courage and determination to go abroad. Living abroad could be very hard to me. But I think you know better than me. May I ask, what major are you? Mine is physics.

Eric, have you ever read something of Yu Jie? (The well-known freelance in Beijing who graduated from Peking University) I must say, his works have a major effect on my thoughts now.

RonBee, it was very nice of you to offer such corrections. I appreciate your help very much. Speaking of time zone, China is eight hours ahead of London. Since you said London is six hours ahead of St. Louis, I assume St. Louis is using 'middle time' of the US(I don't know how to say that. 'west time', 'east time' and 'middle time', something like that. Although China is even a little bigger than the US, we are only using 'Beijing time')
:wink:

You're welcome. I'm glad to help.

Yep. I live in the Central Time Zone.

 

[RonBee]

Dear cooler, I know your feelings and I totally understand what you mean. But... I lost my confidence very long before. I just don't want to be involved in trouble of what I can't help speaking.

Our language, useless to compete the advanced culture and science.

My kids. I just don't want them to experience what I did.

If you wish, please contact me with msn or yahoo. It's really my hornor to know you. But we don't need talk this. Ok? I'm tired. I wanna quit the argument too. I just wanna leave, far away from Chinese world. Hmm, mainland Chinese.

Mike, why people hate to talk politics? even in America? I think politics can influence the whole country or even an entire world. And surely there are some people right, some not.

What's the main goal for us to learn English? To take me an example, I wanna know western world, I wanna immigrate, I wanna go into a new society.
So I seldom asked a question merely to focus on language. I want to make me clear and I want to communicate. It's not right? I only talk such topics in my post. And I'd never disturbed others posts by such topics. So who's fault if my words offend somebody?

It's why I respect Sir Ron so much. He never suggested me to shut up. But maybe just because of this, I'd given him a trouble sometimes. Then I decided to leave but now I'm back because........
They didn't mean to drive me away. I thought of this. Now I'm not sure again.

Whatever, I can try to change a little. But it's all of you who gave in to the evil. Offensive again? Sigh, evil is always evil, no matter what they protest or deny.

I'll focus on language problems here and find a free forum from the place you told me. Thank you, Mike and expect to be taught by you.

Btw, where's Ron? He's lost for several days yet. Is it my fault?

I haven't gone anywhere. I just can't get on as often these days, since I do not have Internet access at home.

Allow me to respond to a couple of things in a previous post. First, I did in no way intend to give offense, but I was attempting to be humorous. (I did succeed somewhat, didn't I?)

Ozron is one of Australian members. (He posts more often on the Delphi forum than on this one.)

I don't think anybody wanted you to shut up or to stop posting here, but it is true that some people dislike discussing politics.

Hm. I've got to go now. Talk to you later.

 

[Cooler]

If you wish, please contact me with msn or yahoo. It's really my hornor to know you. But we don't need talk this. Ok? I'm tired. I wanna quit the argument too. I just wanna leave, far away from Chinese world. Hmm, mainland Chinese.

Yeah, I think I really want to keep in touch with you. I just applied a yahoo_ID and sent a "hi" message to you. But I don't know if you will receive it, because the messenger told me that the message "was not saved" and asked me to "verify the recipient's name". Is there anything wrong with your e-mail address or something? Sorry about that. This is my first time using yahoo messenger.
:wink:

 

[RonBee]

I don't know anything about Yahoo messenger, but you can always send Eric a PM (private message).

 

[eric2004]

Cooler, i like your sig, yep, China is a Matrix. I thought of it before too. Fortunately there are a little bit more Zions in real life.


Sir Ron, you're like a busy and lovely bee. This is the reason why you're named by Ronbee?

 

[RonBee]

Hi, Eric! It's good to see that you're back. :hi:

Ron is my real first name, and B is the first letter of my last name, thus: RonBee. Not very clever, really.

:wink:

 

[eric2004]

Oh? My first name is Yue, the meaning of a sort of gem. I know it's a little girl-like, but I can't change it. Hm, my name is pronounced like moon in Chinese. So is there an English name which can replace my Chinese name? :shock: I don't think Eric is quite good because it's too common to see.
Not special. :wink:

 

[RonBee]

I think Eric is quite a good name. Eric the Red was a famous Viking. Have you heard of him?

Did you hear about the tornado that recently hit China? (I understand that tornados are quite rare there.)

 

[eric2004]

Red is a viking? Pirate? Aha, there is an interesting topic. Seems like you guys always have interests in pirate things, like <the pirate of the Caribbean>. But in China, pirates are more like bastards.
This is a difference.


Tornado? Don't know that because I'm in Heilongjing where is not around sea. But you know what, north easter of China gets a big problem of "storm of sand" every year. When the time reaches, the sky become very very yellow and full of sand and dirt. People have to veil something and wear a pair of sunglass sometimes. We got environmental pollution long long ago.

 

[Tdol]

Eric the Red colonised Greenland

 

[RonBee]

In fact, the Vikings were like pirates in some ways. They often showed up where they weren't wanted and took things that weren't theirs. :wink:

The Vikings contributed quite a few words to the English language; some of the most commonly used words come from them.

Tornados usually occur on land. (A tornado at sea is called a waterspout.) A sandstorm must be a bitch. :wink:

I suppose China's coastal areas experience typhoons from time to time.

 

[eric2004]

Eric the Red colonised Greenland

Be specific. please. I have no idea about what you mean.


Sir Ron, I mean you guys sometimes seemed like adore pirates, right?They're like heros. :wink: kinda weird for me.

What do you mean "bitch"? You said gross word? It's not like a common Ron. But I guess I didn't get you,right?

For your information, I am learning a lot of dirty words or slang from < Friends> now. It's pretty cool because it is as if there were a million of such words for swearing at somebody in English. :wink: