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Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile, ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media. Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. It is easier to be "green" today than ever before.
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Now, what is the topic sentence?

IMO, it's "Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile," (and the conclusion is "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before"). But the problem is, it's not really A SENTENCE: it's part of a sentence, followed by participles.

Is it OK to teach my students that part of a sentence can be also called "topic sentence"?
 

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Taka said:
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Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile, ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media. Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. It is easier to be "green" today than ever before.
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Now, what is the topic sentence?

IMO, it's "Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile," (and the conclusion is "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before"). But the problem is, it's not really A SENTENCE: it's part of a sentence, followed by participles.

Is it OK to teach my students that part of a sentence can be also called "topic sentence"?


The following is a sentence. :D It has a subject and a verb:

...the foundation work... (Subject)
has (Verb)
a very high profile (Object). :wink:

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The following is a sentence. :D It has a subject and a verb:

...the foundation work... (Subject)
has (Verb)
a very high profile (Object). :wink:

All the best, :D

So, a topic sentence doesn't have to be a sentence in its complete form ; the participles can be excluded, right?
 

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Couldn't wejust go to the actual end of the sentence and regard it as a rather long topic sentence. An alternative view could be that the third sentence is actually the topic sentence. ;-)
 

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Taka said:
Casiopea said:
The following is a sentence. :D It has a subject and a verb:

...the foundation work... (Subject)
has (Verb)
a very high profile (Object). :wink:

All the best, :D

So, a topic sentence doesn't have to be a sentence in its complete form ; the participles can be excluded, right?

First, what's your definition of a "topic sentence"? :D Second, a sentence has a subject and a verb. As for added information (i.e., clauses, phrases functioning as adjectives and adverbs), it's not part of the sentence proper.

The paragraph you've given us is somewhat complex in structure, so it would be best if you would parse/outline its structure for us in the way that you see it, so we can get a better idea of what you're seeing.

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tdol said:
Couldn't wejust go to the actual end of the sentence and regard it as a rather long topic sentence.

Initially I thought that way. But now it seems to me that "ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media" is some sort of example which supports the controlling idea, "(the work) has a very high profile"; it's too detailed to be called "the topic sentence".


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An alternative view could be that the third sentence is actually the topic sentence. ;-)

Yeh, I thought it was possible as well. But it looks like "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before" is a restatement of "Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile." So I take it as the conclusion, which is usually the restatement of the main idea.

What do you think, tdol?
 

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Casiopea said:
First, what's your definition of a "topic sentence"? :D Second, a sentence has a subject and a verb.

The definition of a topic sentence--not my definition; the definition that I learned in college in the U.S---is "topic sentence=topic+controlling idea." Therefore, my understanding is:

Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future (the topic) has a very high profile (the controlling idea) =the topic sentence


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As for added information (i.e., clauses, phrases functioning as adjectives and adverbs), it's not part of the sentence proper.

What?? :shock: Then, what is it??

Anyway, whatever it is, I haven't seen a sentence without its full stop defined as a topic sentence, have you? But the phrase is too specific to be called (a part of) a topic sentence.

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The paragraph you've given us is somewhat complex in structure, so it would be best if you would parse/outline its structure for us in the way that you see it, so we can get a better idea of what you're seeing.

(Outline #1)

Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile,(the topic sentence) ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media. Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. (the supporting details) It is easier to be "green" today than ever before. (the conclusion)


(Outline #2)

Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile, ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media.(the topic sentence) Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. (the supporting details) It is easier to be "green" today than ever before. (the conclusion)


(Outline #3)

Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile, ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media. Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. (the supporting details) It is easier to be "green" today than ever before. (the topic sentence)

Now, which analysis is correct?
 

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Outline #3 is my choice. :wink: A topic sentence can occur at the beginning of a paragraph, in the middle of the paragraph or at the end of the paragraph. The former, though, is more common than the latter two.

Some of the foundation work for a more just, sustainable future has a very high profile, ringing resonantly in the fine speeches of the world leaders, advocated passionately by the massed groups of environmental and development organizations, amplified with increasing authority by the world's media. Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness. It is easier to be "green" today than ever before.

Why is it easier to be "green" today than ever before? Here's the evidence: it's popular. X is in speeches, X is advocated by organizations, and the media even sells it.

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I think 3 is the best choice. I also don't see that topic sentences have to conform to the so-called rules. Most native speakers haven't heard of the idea here in the UK, so wouldn't be aware that a topic sentence can only do this much and no more- I think their more guides and descriptions than rules. ;-)
 

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Casiopea said:
Why is it easier to be "green" today than ever before? Here's the evidence: it's popular.

So, "It is easier to be green today than ever before" is not a restatement of "It has a very high profile"?
 

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Taka said:
Casiopea said:
Why is it easier to be "green" today than ever before? Here's the evidence: it's popular.

So, "It is easier to be green today than ever before" is not a restatement of "It has a very high profile"?

I'd like to change my choice, if that's OK? :D :lol:

I choose Option #2:

Topic Sentence said:
Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness.
 

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Topic Sentence said:
Despite the media's tendency to leap from one fashionable cause to the next (from world hunger to AIDS to the environment), it would be narrow-minded to deny their part in increasing environmental awareness.

I'd say it's additional information to the media description in front. It doesn't cover the entire paragraph.
 

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So far all three have been suggested at one time of another. ;-)
 

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tdol said:
So far all three have been suggested at one time of another. ;-)

:?: What do you mean?
 

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tdol said:
So far all three have been suggested at one time of another. ;-)

:?: What do you mean?

You chose (1); tdol and I chose (3), then I changed to (2). :lol: I'm so confused, Taka. :? Now I'm going to change my mind once again. This time I choose (4): Take the paragraph outside and burn it! 8)
 

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Actually, wavered between #1 and #3.

If I had a substantial proof of:

(a) A topic sentence needs to end with a period (i.e a complete sentence).
(b) "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before" is logically not a restatement of "The foundation work has a very high profile,"

then #3 would be my first choice.
 

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Wouldit be better named a topic phrase? It is usually regarded as a sentence, as far as I am aware.;-)
 

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Taka said:
Actually, wavered between #1 and #3.

If I had a substantial proof of:

(a) A topic sentence needs to end with a period (i.e a complete sentence).
(b) "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before" is logically not a restatement of "The foundation work has a very high profile,"

then #3 would be my first choice.

I believe the first two sentences (within the paragraph in question) support the last sentence (i.e., They answer the question, "Why is it easier to be "green" than ever before?" That is, we're dealing with an inductive order (i.e., Option #3). Check out this source . :D
 

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Taka said:
Actually, wavered between #1 and #3.

If I had a substantial proof of:

(a) A topic sentence needs to end with a period (i.e a complete sentence).
(b) "It is easier to be "green" today than ever before" is logically not a restatement of "The foundation work has a very high profile,"

then #3 would be my first choice.

I believe the first two sentences (within the paragraph in question) support the last sentence (i.e., They answer the question, "Why is it easier to be "green" than ever before?" That is, we're dealing with an inductive order (i.e., Option #3). Check out this source . :D

So, you changed your mind again, refraining from taking the paragraph outside and burning it?
 
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