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Hi.
New question.

I'm going to travel overseas.

I shall (will) travel overseas.

I will be traveling overseas.

I am about to travel overseas.


I'm sobbing because I don't know their difference. :cry:

Why you guys can express the future things with a large variety of ways?


Sir, I'm probably gonna ask you some basic questions related to grammar knowledge later. 5555, I didn't study well when I was in my college, so I deserve that punishment.
I only studied hard from the year of 2001. And because of entering for many sorts of english exams continuously, I've been learing English with a mere aim of passing. So you can find I have made a huge amount of mistakes previously and I'm sure that won't stop.

Xixi, so pls keep patience to your poor student, me.

And I wanna buy an English dictionary which can provide the usage of word and expression for me. Could you give me some proposals, my dear Sir.?
 

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I'm going to travel overseas. (intention)

I shall (will) travel overseas. (promise or prediction)

I will be traveling overseas. (something that will happen not because I plan to, but because it's part of my life)

I am about to travel overseas. (very soon)

;-)
 

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Re: Sir, new question here.

eric2004 said:
I'm going to travel overseas.

I shall (will) travel overseas.

I will be traveling overseas.

I am about to travel overseas.

The difference in usage has mainly to do with context. It also has to do with the amount of certainty the speaker feels about what is going to happen. With the first one ("I'm going to travel overseas") the speaker is fairly certain that it is going to happen. Also, while the time of departure could be as much as a year away, it could be within the next week. The second one ("I shall (will) travel overseas"), I think, expresses less certainty, and the time of possible departure is probably more distant than the other one. The third one ("I will be traveling overseas") expresses great certainty, and the speaker is probably fairly certain of his destination. (Perhaps his travel plans are work-related.) The fourth one ("I am about to travel overseas") not only expresses certainty, but also the departure time is probably qute soon.

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Re: Sir, new question here.

eric2004 said:
Why you guys can express the future things with a large variety of ways?

  • Why are you able to talk about the future in such variety of ways?

I don't really know why, but it's wonderful, isn't it? (There are a couple of more ways to say that besides the ones you mentioned.)

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There are many possible futures, and fewer pasts. ;-)
 

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Re: Sir, new question here.

eric2004 said:
And I wanna buy an English dictionary which can provide the usage of word and expression for me. Could you give me some proposals, my dear Sir.?

The Random House College Dictionary is a good buy. Perhaps Tdol or Cas will have some ideas along that line.
 
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Re: Sir, new question here.

eric2004 said:
Hi.
New question.

I'm going to travel overseas.

I shall (will) travel overseas.

I will be traveling overseas.

I am about to travel overseas.


I'm sobbing because I don't know their difference. :cry:

Why you guys can express the future things with a large variety of ways?


Sir, I'm probably gonna ask you some basic questions related to grammar knowledge later. 5555, I didn't study well when I was in my college, so I deserve that punishment.
I only studied hard from the year of 2001. And because of entering for many sorts of english exams continuously, I've been learing English with a mere aim of passing. So you can find I have made a huge amount of mistakes previously and I'm sure that won't stop.

Xixi, so pls keep patience to your poor student, me.

And I wanna buy an English dictionary which can provide the usage of word and expression for me. Could you give me some proposals, my dear Sir.?


I would suggest the Cambridge Advanced Learners' Dictionary, Cambridge Dictionary of International English, Longman Dictionary of American English or the Longman Advanced Learners' Dictionary.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/wordoftheday.asp
 

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Cobuild do good dictionaries, too. On CD, I really like the Oxford Shorter, which isn't much more than a decent book dictionary and has a great deal in it. ;-)
 

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Re: Sir, new question here.

eric2004 said:
Hi. I've a new question. Why do native speakers express the future in a variety of ways?


I'm going to travel overseas.

I shall (will) travel overseas.

I will be traveling overseas.

I am about to travel overseas.


:cry: I'm sobbing because I don't know the difference.

1. I will travel. (determined; certainty)
2. I am going to travel. (determined; intended plan)

Both 1. and 2. express the speaker's determination; They differ in that 'will' expresses a certainty, whereas 'going to' cannot express that.

Compare:
I am going to travel, certainly. (Not OK --it's an intention)
I will travel, certainly. (OK --it's a certainty)

3. I will be traveling.
=> will be -ing is used to give information about another event, to show what will be happening in the background. For example,

When you get home, I will be traveling. (main event in focus)
When you get home, I will be sleeping.

Compare:

Sam: What are you doing Friday?
Pat: I will travel. (determination)
Pat: I am going to travel. (intention)
Pat: I will be traveling. ('traveling' is something I will be doing in the background of my trip)
Pat: I will travel. (emphasis on I means, strong determination)

4. I am about to travel.
=> about to is called the inceptive. It denotes the beginning of action; the action is just about to begin, e.g. I am about to vomit.)

Consider,

Sam: What are you doing next Friday?
Pat: I am about to travel (Not OK. Next Friday is too far in the future)
Pat: I am about to find out from my boss. Just a minute.

eric2004 said:
Teachers , I'll probably ask you some basic questions related to grammar knowledge later. I didn't study well when I was in my college, so I'm paying for it now .

I started taking it seriously in 2001. And because I am contantly taking all sorts of E nglish exams, I've been learn ing English with a mere aim of passing. So you'll notice I have made a huge amount of mistakes previously and I'm sure there will be more . So please have patience with me.

Also, I would like to buy an English dictionary which provides the usage and expression notes. Could you give me some suggestions , my dear teachers?

I like The Oxford Dictionary of Current English, published in paperback.

The best online dictionaries are OneLook and American Heritage.

:D
 
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Sir Ron.

1, I'm fearing one thing that foreigners would discriminate Chinese. Sigh, the reason is different, but I just don't wanna ask for trouble when I'm in a foreign country. Yep, American freedom is very attractive for me because I hate living in a confined area. If I don't hurt the public, if I don't want to say or act what I don't want to do, why I must be punished?
For example, if you don't praise communists in China, you will get no permission to enter into university or get Master degree. Or if you criticize them, you will certainly be vanished in this world. Nobody knows what happend to you.

2, Immigration policy of American is not esay for Chinese, I don't know why. I think Bush should have forbidden Arab rather than Chinese. I only guess one reason that some spies of China are gonna be American. But they're only few and your government should know that. I don't think real Chinese who wanna get "Green Card" are gonna welcome China government.

3,Sigh, the truth of the Tianenmen Event (4 June) has been hidden. There were thousands of Chinese students dead. They were killed by China army. That's a slaughter. Unfortunately, from then on, chinese college students could be merely allowed to vent their opinions towards "Patriotism" which means they only can criticize foreign countries. Sometimes China government would intentionally stir up it because it can devert chinese attention from civil corruption and authoritarian policy to "Patriotism". And finally, there are a great many "shit youth" emerged in China, who curse the US, the Japan, the Britain and the Korea---any stronger country than China---. Those young people also curse people in China who don't agree with them like me. I'm called by them a traitor.

There is an example. One famous actress in China, Wei Zhao, was pour a bag of shit by one "patriot" just because she had got a picture in which she wore a clothing with a pattern of the sun, similar with Japanese national flag. Until now, she's still named by many Chinese a traitor. Sigh, what kind of nation can have what kind of citizen.

So Chinese "shit youth" are becoming the new "Nazi".
 
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Get back to our learing topic. xixi.

Sir tdol, you'be been very kind and you really give me very effective answers for my questions. Thank you a lot.

Sir Ron, you can spare your time and energy if other teacher has given me an answer. You really need take days off, I think. You've been the busiest man here. Please take your time, because maybe I have to trouble you FOREVER.

Ps, indeed, various English expression is wonderful for all of you, but for me, 5555, I almost spend my youth remebering it. Heng, do you think you can make up for my youth, Sir? :lol: Anyway, that's interesting too. I'm gonna study oral english and writing skills more carefully and deeply in the near future. Maybe poems? do you like that? Maybe I can translate some chinese poems for you watching. At least, Chinese poems in ancient time are very fantastic.


Sir. CitySpeak, new teacher? Nice to meet you. Which city you've been living?

Sir or Madam? 555. I don't know how to say female teacher, but in 20s' of the last century, Chinese would call both male and female teacher as "Sir"

So Sir Casiopea, Thank you for the past. It's remarkable for my skills of depicting chart writing with your help. I'd been weak in that until you and Sir Ron corrected my descriptive essay. Japan is the mightest nation in Asia, have a good time there.


For all teachers, wow, you suggested too many types of dictionaries. I wish I can get one in China. Thank you all.

Btw, do you like "FRIENDS"? There are many weird speaking expressions. 555. Sometimes American guys laughted loudly, but even I know the direct meaning of their speaking, I'm still not sure how funny it is. 555. language and culture gap.

Anyway, that's a wonderful TV series. I'm about to find "the Ten season" in China website (pirated CD.555. I break the laws.Hmm. In China, anyone has such experience. )

And Chinese will show it in the next year. I'm actually wondering how dealing with those "sex topics" in there. ( you know, Chinese are very conservative) We'll see and I will tell you about the feelings of common Chinese towards that. Haha, amusing thing.
 

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All of your post is interesting. I would definitely like to hear what you have to say about China and the Chinese people.

Coincidentally, I recently found a site with some Chinese poems translated into English. I posted a link to it in the Poetry and Writing folder. (You can click on the link attached to my signature and it will take you there.)

:)
 

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I'd be interested to see some Chinese poetry. I know very little. At school, i hada teacher who was crazy about Japanese haiku, but that's about as close as I have got to your poetry I'm afraid. ;-)
 

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This is the one I posted in the Poetry and Writing folder. It seems to be a pretty good translation, but of course I don't know what it was in Chinese. However, the English is not bad.

  • Alone Looking at the Mountain

    All the birds have flown up and gone;
    A lonely cloud floats leisurely by.
    We never tire of looking at each other -
    Only the mountain and I.

    By Li Bai


    http://www.chinapage.com/poem104.html

There are quite a few more poems at the site. There is also a link to China the Beautiful, which is a really nice website about China.

:)
 
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Xixi, your example is not very popular, but that poet was one of the greatest poets in china history.
But frankly, it's weird. I feel English cannot express that poem's extended meaning well. all we can see is only a translation of words. Maybe it's because we have the different cultural background.

Chinese prefer to talk about something indirectly, like metaphor. But westerns would like to say that directly. Anyway, maybe it's just due to my lack of appreciating western poems.

In that peom, poet wanted to say he felt very lonely. Nothing but he was living or traveling in "JING TING" mountain. Li Bai has been called "God of poet" by Chinese. And there is an interesting anecdote: he can only write fantastic poems after he's drunk. Once time China emperor asked him to write a poem, he demanded the most beautiful wife of that emperor ground Chinese ink for him and meanwhile, the most powerful eunuch who was beloved by that emperor must take Li Bai's shoes off (that's a very humuliated thing for that eunuch).

In Chinese poems, you can find the number of words every line matches each other, which is a very important and evident feature of poem, not like western poems, you don't care about that.

And because of that reason, Chinese poets often put great emphasis on the choice of word. Sometimes they would think about whether one word was wonderful in their poems during a long term. So in China, poem is a mere classical and great culture heritage of ancients. But unfortunately, now nobody is able to reach the same level as ancient poets, because today's person cannot devote themselves all to poems.
 

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eric2004 said:
Xixi, your example is not very popular, but that poet was one of the greatest poets in china history.

I only looked at a few of the poems there. Hopefully, I will have time to go back to that site. (Say: "Chinese history")

eric2004 said:
But frankly, it's weird. I feel English cannot express that poem's extended meaning well. all we can see is only a translation of words. Maybe it's because we have the different cultural background.

I am sure you are right. Poetry often doesn't translate well from one language to another. Poetry often tends to be culture-specific.

eric2004 said:
Chinese prefer to talk about something indirectly, like metaphor. But westerns would like to say that directly. Anyway, maybe it's just due to my lack of appreciating western poems.

That's a wonderful story, and you tell it well. :D

(Say: "A person today can't devote himself entirely to writing poetry." (or "writing poems"))

I think word choice is important in all poetry.

:)
 
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5555. Sir. Why nobody wanna talke with me in ICQ? Even some Chinese-American don't reply my msg. Is there some attractive sentences for meeting new people ?
 
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eric2004

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Hi, do you wanna know a chinese guy me?
btw, can you see me?

That's my message. I don't know why no American girl reply me. 55555

Hmm, I've been bothering girls aged between 16-22, is it a bad thing?
 
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Hi, do you wanna know a chinese guy me?
btw, can you see me?

As a Chinese origin, I hate to say but I must say a few words. This forum is supposed to invite anyone interested in learning English to post questions about English. To seek love, I think ICQ is more appropriate.

My friend, I am sorry for my bluntness!
 
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eric2004

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Cyberlove?
You get me wrong. I just wanna meet people in chatting way. For one thing, it can help me to use english and know different culture, opinions towards something. For another, chatting is a more instant way for communicating.

I seek a girl because, from my experience, opposite sex can be more attractive to each other.
You don't have such experience that other guys don't wish to talk to you in QQ (chinese icq)?

Anyway, don't be so serious,ok? Learning is not studying,right?
 
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