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"Try not to begrudge his getting the promotion over you" or

"Try not to begrudge he getting the promotion over you."

Please tell me which is correct.
 

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I would use 'him/his' instead of 'he getting the' in the second sentence.
 
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OK, it is "..begrudge him getting.." since "he" is used as an object.
 

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Rover KE, I think you have misunderstood my original post above.
I did mean replacing 'he getting the' with 'him his'.

Try not to begrudge him his promotion over you.
There is no slash between 'him' and 'his'.
 

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Right - I see.

It makes sense now that you have written the sentence in full.
 

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Please note that the slash, which seems to have complicated my meaning, was added by Rover_KE.

1. Try not to begrudge his getting the promotion over you.
2. Try not to begrudge him getting the promotion over you.
3. Try not to begrudge him his promotion over you.
 

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Try not to begrudge 'that'. 'That' is replaced by "he getting the promotion over you."

So finally "Try not to begrudge he getting the promotion over you." Please tell me why this is wrong.
 

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After "begrudge", we use object pronouns before the relevant noun.

Don't begrudge me my success.
Don't begrudge him his win.
Don't begrudge them their happiness.
He doesn't begrudge us our lottery win.

After "begrudge" but before a verb, we'd say:

Don't begrudge my getting the promotion.
Don't begrudge his winning the competition.
Don't begrudge their being happy.
He doesn't begrudge our winning the lottery.
 
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Simply put, the object form should be used after a verb or a preposition.
 

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Please give me a couple more verbs or words which have this structure for me to understand this form of sentencing better.
 

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Don't dismiss me.
Don't get rid of me.
 

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Don't dismiss me.
Don't get rid of me.

They are normal sentences. Don't dismiss who?
Don't dismiss me.
Don't dismiss what?
Don't dismiss my words.

But for 'begrudge', it's like "Don't begrudge me my getting the promotion." This is complicated structure. Such words I am requesting.

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I'd say either

'Don't begrudge my getting the promotion', or

'Don't begrudge me my promotion'.
 

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Thank you.

But I don't understand why 'me' and 'my' are in succession.
For example, "I envy his demeanour", not "I envy him his demeanour".
Is this applicable only 'begrudge'? Please tell me few other such words.
 

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Yeah!! Strange that I don't find this sentence weird. So commonplace the sentences with 'give' are.
Please tell me few more like them.

Also, tell me a word which is used with the structure like this: 'Don't begrudge my getting the promotion'
 

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Please tell me my mistakes.
Wouldn't you congratulate me on my getting married?
 

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Thank you very much.

The second sentence still feels uncomfortable to me. Which part of grammar does this kind structuring come in? Please suggest a grammar reference too, if possible.
 
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