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Hi there,

Is the 't' silent when pronouncing 'wetland'?

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Hi there,

Is the 't' silent when pronouncing 'wetland'?

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It's not silent, but it isn't as fully articulated as it is in many contexts; the closure is audible (and visible on an sound spectroscope), but there's no (or minimal - depending on register) plosion. As an example, there's a difference between the sounds of 'hot land' and 'Holland' (apart from the obvious difference in the second vowel).

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Hi BobK
thanks a lot.
How about the following 't's?

platform
flatland
butler

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It really depends what dialect you're speaking.

In standard Oxford English, for example, the "t" is pronounced, but often not released (as BobK describes) in the words you cite. In many British dialects, such as Cockney, it is replaced with a glottal stop: the airflow is cut off at the back of the throat.

In many British dialects, the combination "tl" (as in "butler" or "bottle") is often pronounced as a click sound for which we have no separate letter, similar to (but not exactly like) the kind of lateral click which is a feature of some African languages, like Xhosa. It sounds a bit like a mixture of "k" and "l", and indeed small children learning to speak are apt to say "bockle" for "bottle".

In old-fashioned BBC English, the "t" was enunciated and released very, very carefully. BBC English was used on the radio in the days when reception was often very poor, and so a deliberately over-careful pronunciation helped listeners decipher what was being said against a background of pops, whistles and interference.
 

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Nowadays we oldies have to contend with background music - time to start retraining announcers?
 

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Hi there,

How about 'next day'? Does 't' pronounce with 'day'?

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The t is pronounced both in next and in next day. (At least, where I am from it is.)

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Hi there,
Then how about 'next station'?
Does 't' go with 'st'?
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The t is pronounced both in next and in next day. (At least, where I am from it is.)

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Hi Ron.
I've got a question about assimilation. Wouldn't it take place in a phrase like 'next day'? I mean assimilation of /t/ with /d/? Also in the example from Peter123's question ('next station'), shouldn't elision and assimilation take place?:?: Not so much time ago, I was said by my teacher of phonetics that in such a case ('next station') /t/ from the word 'next' would disappear and remaining /s/ would assimilate with the initial /s/ from the word 'station.' In my way of thinking it would go like that: /'nekst 'steiʃn/ --> /'neks 'steiʃn/ --> /,nek'steiʃn/ --> /nək'steiʃn/ (in fast speech). What do you think about that? Comments from other member are welcomed as well. ;-)
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Hi Ron.
I've got a question about assimilation. Wouldn't it take place in a phrase like 'next day'? I mean assimilation of 't' with 'd' ? :?:
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Seba
They do tend to run together a bit, but the t sound is still there the way I pronounce it. However, it is possible that it might be barely there or not there at all. Example:
He said he would see me the nex' day.
In that case there would be no pause between the words.

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They do tend to run together a bit, but the t sound is still there the way I pronounce it. However, it is possible that it might be barely there or not there at all. Example:
He said he would see me the nex' day.
In that case there would be no pause between the words.

~R
Thanks, but I see you'd answered my post before I managed to reedit it ;-) I'm thousand years of training away from you in typing abilities ;-)
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Hi Ron.
I've got a question about assimilation. Wouldn't it take place in a phrase like 'next day'? I mean assimilation of /t/ with /d/? Also in the example from Peter123's question ('next station'), shouldn't elision and assimilation take place?:?: Not so much time ago, I was said by my teacher of phonetics that in such a case ('next station') /t/ from the word 'next' would disappear and remaining /s/ would assimilate with the initial /s/ from the word 'station.' In my way of thinking it would go like that: /'nekst 'steiʃn/ --> /'neks 'steiʃn/ --> /,nek'steiʃn/ --> /nək'steiʃn/ (in fast speech). What do you think about that? Comments from other member are welcomed as well. ;-)
Regards,
Seba

What you say about assimilation is true in much current speech; and many speakers aren't aware it's happening. To take another example, it's quite hard to convince a native speaker that when they say 'fine' in an utterance-final position the noise they make is /faɪm/ ('assimilation' not to a following phoneme, but to a following mouth position - closed). But just because assimilation can happen, and in some cases is likely to happen, it doesn't always happen. In careful speech it may not.

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There's a great deal of room for individual differences in pronunciation, of course. Certainly, I don't pronounce the "t" in "next day"; and exactly how I pronounce the final phoneme in "fine" depends on to what extent I am emphasising the word.
 
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