[Grammar] what we call cyber relationships.

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Could you please help me to know which one is correct?

For disabled people or people who are very ill, Internet access allows them to develop relationships online--what we call cyber relationships.


For disabled people or people who are very ill, Internet access allows them to develop relationships online--what we call is cyber relationships.
 

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I think 'is' should be omitted because 'what we call cyber relationships' is a noun clause.
 

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The second doesn't work for me at all.
 

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But why do we use the following sentences?
What I like about this film is its ending.
What I like about her is her beauty.
What I want to say is that ...

What we call is cyber relationships.
The thing that we call is cyber relationships.
 
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What we call is cyber relationships.
The thing that we call is cyber relationships.
I think they are wrong. I would say 'We call them cyber relationships'.
What we call cyber relationships is common nowadays.
 

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But why do we use the following sentences?
What I like about this film is its ending.
What I like about her is her beauty.
What I want to say is that ...

What is the main verb of these examples? What is the main verb of your sentence?
 

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What is the main verb of these examples? What is the main verb of your sentence?
But why do we use the following sentences?
What I like about this film is its ending. -> "like"
What I like about her is her beauty. -> "like"
What I want to say is that ... -> "want"
What we call is cyber relationships. -> "call"
 

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1. What we call is cyber relationships.
2. What we recommend is cyber relationships.

1 does not work, but 2 does. Do you know why?
 

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Thanks Mattew. What a good question!
That is exactly what makes me confused. However, I was thinking about my sectences and I have discoved a way for understanding.
1. What we call is cyber relationships.
Here the pattern of main verb "call" is :
Call somebody/something something

2. What we recommend is cyber relationships.
Here, the pattern of the verb "recommend" is like:
Recommend something to somebody

That's why my sectence is considered wrong.
I thought we have one fixed pattern to create noun clauses. However, I understand that it is verbs and their patterns within sentences that really matter.

I hope I am right. :roll:
 
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Are following correct?

What name you are going to call baby is amazing.
What you call him is offensive.
What we call cyber relationships is the same as online relationships.
 

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Are the following correct?

1. What name you are going to call baby is amazing. :cross:
2. What you call him is offensive. :tick:
3. What we call "cyber relationships" is the same as "online relationships". :tick:

I have numbered your sentences to make it easier to reply. Please do the same thing yourself in future.

1 is wrong. You can say "The name you are going to give your/the baby is amazing" or "What you are going to call your/the baby is amazing". You would be able to use "What name" in a question, such as "What name are you going to give your baby?"
2 is correct, as long as you are referring to a regular/habitual occurrence.
3 is OK if you enclose the two phrases in quotation marks.

The problem with #1 is that you have used "What" and the noun it is supposed to replace (name). You did it correctly in #2, where "What" replaces "The name that".
 

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The problem with #1 is that you have used "What" and the noun it is supposed to replace (name). You did it correctly in #2, where "What" replaces "The name that".

Thanks emsr2d2.
I got it.
I should say:

What you are going to call baby is common these days.
 

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Thanks emsr2d2.
I got it.
I should say:

What you are going to call baby is common these days.

No. You still need a word before "baby" (as I indicated in post #11). What do you mean by "common these days"?
 

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No. You still need a word before "baby" (as I indicated in post #11). What do you mean by "common these days"?
What you are going to call the baby is common these days. :)
What you are going to call the baby is nice. :)

Emsr2d2, May I ask you to check my analysis on post #9?
Thanks so much.
 

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Please answer the question I asked in post #13 first.
 

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What you call the baby is a common/nice name.
 
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