[Grammar] will/would

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a. When you graduate, there will be several jobs waiting for you.
b. If you graduate without trouble, I’ll buy you a new car.

c. When you graduate, there would be several jobs waiting for you.
d. If you graduate without trouble, I would buy you a new car.
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I know that a. and b. are correct, but I am not sure whether c. and d.
are correct. In other words, what are the differences between will and would in these sentences?
 

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What do you mean by "graduate without trouble"?
 

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What do you mean by "graduate without trouble"?

I mean "not fail to graduate, for example, because fail to reach the required standard".
 

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I don't understand. Surely the person is either going to graduate or they're not. If they fail, they fail. If they don't fail, they graduate. Did you perhaps mean "If you graduate easily ..."?
 

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I don't understand. Surely the person is either going to graduate or they're not. If they fail, they fail. If they don't fail, they graduate. Did you perhaps mean "If you graduate easily ..."?

I mean 'If you don't run into difficulties that make you fail to graduate (or you run into them, but at least you finally overcome them), and then you graduate successfully'.
 

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So effectively the person is going to get a new car as long as they graduate, even if they had some problems along the way!

Back to the original question then. a) and b) are OK. c) and d) aren't. c) just doesn't make sense with "When" followed by "would be". d) would be OK if you used "If you graduated ...".
 

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d) would be OK if you used "If you graduated ...".

However, If I say the sentences below, are both of them acceptable?
a. If you should manage to graduate, I would buy you a new car.
b.
If you should manage to graduate, I will buy you a new car.
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What are the differences between them?

 

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Constructions with if + should are unusual in that they can be used in both predictive and hypothetical conditional sentences.

a.
If you should manage to graduate, I would buy you a new car.
b.
If you should manage to graduate, I will buy you a new car.
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I think a. is
a hypothetical conditional sentence, and b. is a predictive conditional sentence. Am I right?
 

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[STRIKE]However,[/STRIKE] If I say the sentences below, are both of them acceptable?
a. If you should manage to graduate, I would buy you a new car.
b.
If you should manage to graduate, I will buy you a new car.
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What are the differences between them?

Only will works for me after if you should manage to.

However is not a natural way to begin a sentence unless a previous sentence presents an opposing argument. Never capitalize the word after a comma unless it's a proper noun or an acronym.
 

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I see that you've now taken this still active discussion to another forum. :-?
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IfShould/bmvvhg/post.htm

So, I feel my standard caution is warranted here:

Please do not post the same question simultaneously to more than one forum. Doing so wastes our valuable time. Instead, post your question to one forum and wait for replies. If you're not satisfied with those replies, you can try another forum, but please indicate in your thread that you've already asked the same question elsewhere (provide a link), and outline why you were not satisfied with the answers you received already.
 

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I see that you've now taken this still active discussion to another forum. :-?
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IfShould/bmvvhg/post.htm

So, I feel my standard caution is warranted here:

Please do not post the same question simultaneously to more than one forum. Doing so wastes our valuable time. Instead, post your question to one forum and wait for replies. If you're not satisfied with those replies, you can try another forum, but please indicate in your thread that you've already asked the same question elsewhere (provide a link), and outline why you were not satisfied with the answers you received already.

I am sorry for that, and I don't mean to wast your valuable time.:-|

So when I posted this
discussion to another forum, I added the opinions of Piscean and GoesStation--the different opinions. This is the reason I feel confused, so I would like to hear another opinion.

This thread had got 11 replies then, and I thought maybe few users would continue replying it. This is why I post it to another forum.

Now I have received your standard caution; I know I should be more patient. At least I should indicate in my thread that I've already asked the same question elsewhere, and outline why I had to do so.

I have learnt a lesson.

I don't know whether I am still welcome here. Thank you all for your help. :-|
 
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