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So for now, should I just follow the consitency of tense rule for sentences like "I would go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid today. " right?

Yes, but that should be "I will go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid tomorrow."

but i would like to know the difference if i used "would" instead of "will"
I would go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid today.
I will go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid today.

Use "got" with "would"; that makes the sentence hypothetical.
Use "get" with "will"; that makes the mall conditional on the pay.

Can you also give me some examples of the important uses of would and will?

I already did that. :wink:
 

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Use "get" with "will"; that makes the mall conditional on the pay.

What if i replaced "will" with "would"
What would it mean?
 

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jack said:
Use "get" with "will"; that makes the mall conditional on the pay.

What if i replaced "will" with "would"
What would it mean?

It would mean you are waiting to be asked to go or you have reservations.
 

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"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

"used" should be in pass tense, b/c of cconsistency of verbs right?

and

"but i will like to know the difference if i use will instead of will."

in this case, "use" should be in present tense, b/c of cconsistency of verbs right?








MikeNewYork said:
jack said:
Use "get" with "will"; that makes the mall conditional on the pay.

What if i replaced "will" with "would"
What would it mean?

It would mean you are waiting to be asked to go or you have reservations.

sorry can you exlain this again. i don't get it. lets say i said:

I would go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid today.
I will go to the mall tomorrow, if I get paid today.


What is the difference in meaing if i used "would" instead of "will" and vice vera?
 

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jack said:
"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

"used" should be in pass tense, b/c of cconsistency of verbs right?

and

When you use "used", you are talking about the past or you are talking about a hypothetical.

"but i will like to know the difference if i use will instead of will."

in this case, "use" should be in present tense, b/c of cconsistency of verbs right?

We don't say "I will like to know". You would still use "I would like to know" (your like is now, not in the future). When you use "use" in that sentence you are talking about a future event that is dependent on your using "use".

I think you are going to have to do some reading about "will" and "would". This is a very complicated area of English and this format is not likely to teach you properly. Do you have any resource books?
 

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We don't say "I will like to know". You would still use "I would like to know" (your like is now, not in the future). When you use "use" in that sentence you are talking about a future event that is dependent on your using "use".

"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

If I have used "used",does that mean i am referring to my previous question?

If I have used "use" instead of "used",does the question means that i am asking about when would i use "would" and "will" when i need to use it?

no i don't have any resource book. actaully i do have this bare essential book but i don't find it that useful.
Do you have any recommendations?[/b]
 

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jack said:
We don't say "I will like to know". You would still use "I would like to know" (your like is now, not in the future). When you use "use" in that sentence you are talking about a future event that is dependent on your using "use".

"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

If I have used "used",does that mean i am referring to my previous question?

Yes, or to a hypothetical use.

If I have used "use" instead of "used",does that mean i am talking about the question i am asking right now?

Yes, in a way. In the past it could be referring to your question now.

no i don't have any resource book. actaully i do have this bare essential book but i don't find it that useful.
Do you have any recommendations?[/b]

https://www.usingenglish.com/amazon/us/019431197X.html
 

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"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

[If I have used "use" instead of "used",does that mean i am talking about the question i am asking right now?


Yes, in a way. In the past it could be referring to your question now.]

What other meaning does it have [yes, in a way]? "In the past it could be referring to your question now." What do you mean in the past it could be referring to my question now?





Would the clothes have been cleaned, if i had not used soap becase he was lazy <--did i use "had" correctly? or do i need to chance the sentence or do i need a story to it?

Would the clothes have been cleaned, if i had not used soap because we were out of soap on that day. <--is had sitll wrong ? or should i use have? b/c "because we were out of soap on that day." is not clear?

Would the clothes have been cleaned, if i have not used soap? <---correct right?
 

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jack said:
"but i would like to know the difference if i used would instead of will."

[If I have used "use" instead of "used",does that mean i am talking about the question i am asking right now?


Yes, in a way. In the past it could be referring to your question now.]

What other meaning does it have [yes, in a way]? "In the past it could be referring to your question now." What do you mean in the past it could be referring to my question now?

We have to get clear on tenses and time.

8 pm: If I used "will" instead of "would", what would the difference be?
In that sentence, "used" either refers to a use before 8 pm or to a hypothetical use.

8 pm: If I use "will" instead of "would", what would the difference be?

In that sentence, "use" refers to the the next time you write.

9 pm: The second sentence at 8 pm could be referring to what you are writing now. It is the future, compared to what you wrote at 8 pm.

Do you get that?
 

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jack said:
yes, thanks for making it clear.

You're very welcome.

Conditionals are very difficult with respect to tense.

Here are a few more examples:

first conditional: If I slash my wrists, what will happen to me?
[This sets up a condition in the present, and then asks what will occur in the future, if that condition is fulfilled.]

second conditional: If I slashed my wrists, what would happen to me?
[Second conditionals are often used for hypothetical events. That is why the past tense is used in the "if" clause. This is asking about an unreal situation, just for information.]

third conditional: If I had slashed my wrists, what would have happened to me?
[This sets up a condition in the past and it asks what would have happened in the past if you had fulfilled the condition in the past.]
We always use the past perfect (had) in the "if" clause of third conditionals. We never use the present perfect (have/has).
 

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Would you have gone to the movie with me, If you weren't busy?
i would use "would" and "weren't" b/c i am talking in past tense right?
 

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jack said:
Would you have gone to the movie with me, If you weren't busy?
i would use "would" and "weren't" b/c i am talking in past tense right?

That is OK, but because of "have gone", the "if" clause would be better in the past perfect.

Would you have gone to the movie with me if you hadn't (had not) been busy.

You can get away with "weren't", but it is not technically correct for a third conditional. A third conditional is an "if" condition in the past with a result in the past.

The second conditional (hypothetical) would be like this:

A: I would like to take you to the movies on Friday.
B: I'm sorry but I am busy that night.
A: Would you go to the movies with me if you weren't busy?

The first conditional would be like this:

A: I would like to take you to the movies on Friday.
B: I don't know if I am busy that night.
A: Will/would you go to the movies with me if you aren't busy?

In the last sentence, "will" is the proper form, but we often shift back to "would" because it is less direct/more polite. Both are acceptable.
 

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"Would you have gone to the movies with me if you weren't busy? " <--i am trying to say, i have gone to the movies and now i am asking if she would have gone too, if she isn't busy.


"Would you go to the movies with me if you weren't busy? " <--Is this one the same as the one above in meaning? if so, why don't i need "have gone" b/c without "have gone" it sounds like i am asking her to go to the movies?
 

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jack said:
"Would you have gone to the movies with me if you weren't busy? " <--i am trying to say, i have gone to the movies and now i am asking if she would have gone too, if she isn't busy.

No, wrong tenses. If you are at the movies and you are asking her to join you if she isn't busy:

I am at the movies. If you aren't busy, would you care to join me?

"Would you go to the movies with me if you weren't busy? " <--Is this one the same as the one above in meaning? if so, why don't i need "have gone" b/c without "have gone" it sounds like i am asking her to go to the movies?

Would you go to the movies with me if you aren't busy? If you are asking her now, her business must be in the present tense. :wink:
 

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sry, i am trying to say that i have already seen the movie and now i am wondering if she would have went to see it if she was not busy.

so now i have watched the movie and the next day i said:

"Would you have gone to the movies with me yesterday, if you weren't busy?"

What is wrong with my tenses?

Can you correct them for me? how would i say this?






"Would you go to the movies with me if you weren't busy? "
What is this question asking? is this asking about if she would have gone to the movie with me yesterday, if she had not been busy?






Would you have gone to the movies with me if you weren't busy?

That is OK, but because of "have gone", the "if" clause would be better in the past perfect.

Why would it be better with past perfect if i use "have gone", isn't "have gone" present perfect? so i should use the opposite of present perfect, which is past perfect? How come i can use present perfect with past perfect?
 

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"Would you have gone to the movies with me yesterday, if you weren't busy?" = she is still busy

"Would you have gone to the movies with me yesterday, if you hadn't been busy?" = busy at the time she didn't go to the movie

Of the two, the second is the more logical because we are interested in that time.;-)
 

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"Would you have gone to the movies with me yesterday, if you weren't busy?" = she is still busy <--she is sitll busy?i dont get it, can you explain it again please. Do you mean she was busy?
 
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