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[Heidi]

Dear friends,

Would you please tell me whether I need the word 'have' in the following sentence? Will it's meaning be different when we leave or do not leave out 'have'? Thank you!

'I guess I'll have to learn to like frogs if I've ever decided to visit there (somewhere with lots of frogs).'

 

[5jj]

More natural would be:

'I guess I'll have to learn to like frogs if I ever decide to visit there.

 

[Heidi]

Thank you! 5jj. How about leaving out 'ever'? I thought that 'ever' is usually used with 'have ever/has ever'?

 

[Rover_KE]

You can leave out ever.

Without it it's a bit more likely that you will decide to go there.

Rover

 

[Tdol]

Thank you! 5jj. How about leaving out 'ever'? I thought that 'ever' is usually used with 'have ever/has ever'?

Ever can be used with different tenses and forms.

 

[Heidi]

You can leave out ever.

Without it it's a bit more likely that you will decide to go there.

Rover

Oftentimes I have trouble with small words, like ever. Most dictionaries say it means 'at any time'. But does it refer to time in the past or in the present?

If I say 'if I have enough time, I write to my parents every week', does it mean that if I have enough time, I definitely will write to my parents every week?
But if I say 'if I ever have enough time, I write to my parents every week', will there be any diference in meaning?

Thank you!

 

[5jj]

[STRIKE]Oftentimes[/STRIKE] I often have trouble with small words, like ever. Most dictionaries say it means 'at any time'. But does it refer to time in the past or in the present?
Past, general time or future. Verb tense and context tell you which is meant.

If I say 'if I have enough time, I write to my parents every week', does it mean that if I have enough time, I definitely [STRIKE]will[/STRIKE] write to my parents every week?
It's general, not future. The suggestion is that it is pretty certain that I write in these circumstances,
But if I say 'if I ever have enough time, I write to my parents every week', will there be any diference in meaning?
The writer is suggesting that it is unusual for him/her to have enough time.

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[Heidi]

But if I say 'if I ever have enough time, I write to my parents every week', will there be any diference in meaning?
The writer is suggesting that it is unusual for him/her to have enough time.

But in this case, 'ever' has anything to do with the interpretation of 'at any time'? In addition, 'if I ever have enough time, I write to my parents every week' and 'if I ever decide to visit there, I guess I'll have to learn to like frogs' have anything in common?

Thank you!

 

[5jj]

But in this case, 'ever' has anything to do with the interpretation of 'atany time'?

Yes.

If, at any time during my busy life, I have time (which is unlikely), I write to my parents every week.

It's a little illogical, because it seems that the speaker does not have time, and therefore does not write every week. However, in conversation we say this sort of thing. The implication is - 'I try/would like to write every week'. It may be that during occasional periods, the speaker does have time, and then writes on a weekly basis.

 

[Heidi]

Yes.

If, at any time during my busy life, I have time (which is unlikely), I write to my parents every week.

It's a little illogical, because it seems that the speaker does not have time, and therefore does not write every week. However, in conversation we say this sort of thing. The implication is - 'I try/would like to write every week'. It may be that during occasional periods, the speaker does have time, and then writes on a weekly basis.

Thank you!
Let's go back to the original sentence: 'if I ever decide to visit there, I guess I'll have to learn to like frogs', Rover said without 'ever', it is a bit more likely that the speaker will decide to visit there, so I guess 'ever' has something to do with 'indicating uncertainty'? Does it also has something to do with 'at any time' in this case?

 

[TheParser]

Dear friends,

Would you please tell me whether I need the word 'have' in the following sentence? Will it's meaning be different when we leave or do not leave out 'have'? Thank you!

'I guess I'll have to learn to like frogs if I've ever decided to visit there (somewhere with lots of frogs).'

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


(1) I think that Teacher Rover has given us some great insight.

(2) Compare:

(a) If you do that again, I will hit you. = I suspect that you

may try doing that again.

(b) If you ever do that again, I will teach you a lesson that

you will never forget for the rest of your life!!! = I am warning

you: Don't even think about doing that again.

 

[Heidi]

If I say 'if I ever have enough time, I write to my parents every week', will there be any diference in meaning?
The writer is suggesting that it is unusual for him/her to have enough time.

Thank you, all my teachers here. One more question:

If I say 'if you're ever in Seattle, come and see me', does it implies that I don't think you will be in Seattle someday? (but I think it's a little strange, why bother asking?)

If I say 'if you ever do that again...', implying that I don't think you dare do that again?

Thank you!