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i dont know phonetics language.please help me
 
manjucather said:
i dont know phonetics language.please help me
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The main phonetic language is IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet). You can search for that on the web. There are many pages, but the official page is the IPA (IP Association) page.
 
First of all, you have to choose one language to learn, either American English or British English, otherwise you will get confused. There're tiny little difference between them.

In my humble opinion, I think IPA is not that prefect for learning English, it's not quite clear and effective.
 
sylviawiseman said:
First of all, you have to choose one language to learn, either American English or British English, otherwise you will get confused. There're tiny little difference between them.
No, you can learn IPA without knowing about American and British English at all.

In my humble opinion, I think IPA is not that prefect for learning English, it's not quite clear and effective.
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But surely it's better than something like "I would say /mi‛ly‛n/ or some people said /milii‛n/"? This can only be understood if everyone knows what /i/ means, and which of the three sounds in /milii‛n/ you mean by each instance of /i/.
Using IPA - /mɪlijən/ – there are three different symbols for the three different sounds, all of which you’ve transcribed as /i/.
Yes, IPA is not perfect. What's your suggested alternative?
 
DontBanMe said:
Sounds of English
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DontBanMe said:

Pronouncing English - Basic English, Lesson 7
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These two don't help with phonetic symbols.

Here are the standard symbols used for phonemes in British English:

[FONT=&quot]Consonants[FONT=&quot] ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Unvoiced consonants underlined) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/p/[FONT=&quot]: pat, hoping, stop; happy, shepherd [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/b/: bat, tribal rub; robbed, cupboard [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/m/: mat, timing, sum, lamb, summer, column[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/f/[FONT=&quot]: fine, lifer, reef; coffer,laugh, often, elephant[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/v/: vine, savings, spiv; of, skivvy, Stephen, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/θ/[FONT=&quot]: thick, author, mouth (noun) [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ð/:they, withinmouth (verb) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/t/[FONT=&quot]: ten, later, not; patter, ptomaine, night, subtle, stopped, two, Thomas, worked [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/d/: dot, rider, nod; bladder, red [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/n/: not, finer, ten; banner, knight, reign, pneumonia, Wednesday[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/s/[FONT=&quot]: sit, basin, gas; massive, cede, science, psychology, listen, answer, waltz (some speakers)[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/z/: zone, hazy, fez; buzz, rose, xylophone, crescent, dessert [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʧ/[FONT=&quot]: chin, perching, larch; hatch, nature, cello[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʤ/: gin, judge, strange, sandwich,gradual, exaggerate,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʃ/[FONT=&quot]: shout, washing, dish, machine, passion, delicious, caution, sugar, cons[/FONT][FONT=&quot]c[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ience, schedule (some speakers) [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʒ/: genre, rouging, beige; measure, seizure [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/k/[FONT=&quot]: kit, baker, took; cot, succour, back, pique, character, saccharine racquet[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/g/: got, begin, sag; bigger, ghost, league, guest[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]/ŋ/: sing, hanger, sink [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/h/[FONT=&quot]: has, behind, who [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/r/: read, horror, write, rhyme, catarrhal [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/l/: lead, solo, pool; poll, island
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vowels[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/i:/: me, bead, key, see, deceive, people, quay, encyclopaedia, foetus, police, relieve, soliloquy, Yves[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/I/: bid, Greenwich, hymn, luggage, mountain, pretty, wanted, women, sieve, busy. foreign,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/ʊ/: look, put, woman Worcester[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/u:/: booed, boot, through, true, truth, whose, route, new, lieu manoeuvre[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/e/: bed, said, head, any, leisure, leopard, friend[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ə/: about, the, teacher*, ration, Russia, photography, cemetery, thorough, bureaucrat, , station, patient pigeon, gorgeous, gynaecology. forget failure, status,[FONT=&quot] tortoise, famous,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɜ:/: bird, burred, turn, herd, heard, myrtle, myrrh, worse, masseuse connoisseur, journalist oeuvre, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɔ:/: bored, board, broad, thought, law, awe, caught, fall, warm, George[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/æ/: bad, plaid[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʌ/: bud, rough, money, flourish, flood, does [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɑ:/: bard, barred, father, aunt, heart, clerk, catarrh, palm reservoir[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɒ/: bod, cough, want, because, knowledge, sausage, geography[/FONT]

 
[FONT=&quot]Diphthongs[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]I[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ə[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] beard, leer[/FONT][FONT=&quot], fier[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ce, weird, here[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Liam, idea [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]ʊə[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/: (Many speakers do not utter this, using /ɔ:/ instead, especially in such words as those underlined):eek:bscure[/FONT][FONT=&quot], tour[/FONT][FONT=&quot], sure[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT][FONT=&quot] moor[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]eə[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/:[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]bare[/FONT][FONT=&quot], there[/FONT][FONT=&quot], air[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot] wear[/FONT][FONT=&quot], where[/FONT][FONT=&quot] aeroplane
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]e[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: bayed, say, make, weigh, main, vein, break, gauge, ballet, they, gaol /[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ɔ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]buoyed, buoy, boy, coil, [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot](Schadenfreude)[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]a[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: bide, nigh, lie, buy, by, eye, aisle, height, choir[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]əʊ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]bode, know, although, oh, groan, beau, gauche, Cockburn:[/FONT] brooch chauffeur
[FONT=&quot]/[/FONT][FONT=&quot]aʊ[/FONT]/:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] cow, mound, bough, Faust, cowed.[/FONT]
 
fivejedjon said:

These two don't help with phonetic symbols.

Here are the standard symbols used for phonemes in British English:

[FONT=&quot]Consonants[FONT=&quot] ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]Unvoiced consonants underlined) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/p/[FONT=&quot]: pat, hoping, stop; happy, shepherd [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/b/: bat, tribal rub; robbed, cupboard [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/m/: mat, timing, sum, lamb, summer, column[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/f/[FONT=&quot]: fine, lifer, reef; coffer,laugh, often, elephant[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/v/: vine, savings, spiv; of, skivvy, Stephen, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/θ/[FONT=&quot]: thick, author, mouth (noun) [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ð/:they, withinmouth (verb) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/t/[FONT=&quot]: ten, later, not; patter, ptomaine, night, subtle, stopped, two, Thomas, worked [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/d/: dot, rider, nod; bladder, red [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/n/: not, finer, ten; banner, knight, reign, pneumonia, Wednesday[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/s/[FONT=&quot]: sit, basin, gas; massive, cede, science, psychology, listen, answer, waltz (some speakers)[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/z/: zone, hazy, fez; buzz, rose, xylophone, crescent, dessert [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʧ/[FONT=&quot]: chin, perching, larch; hatch, nature, cello[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʤ/: gin, judge, strange, sandwich,gradual, exaggerate,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʃ/[FONT=&quot]: shout, washing, dish, machine, passion, delicious, caution, sugar, cons[/FONT][FONT=&quot]c[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ience, schedule (some speakers) [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʒ/: genre, rouging, beige; measure, seizure [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/k/[FONT=&quot]: kit, baker, took; cot, succour, back, pique, character, saccharine racquet[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/g/: got, begin, sag; bigger, ghost, league, guest[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot]/ŋ/: sing, hanger, sink [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/h/[FONT=&quot]: has, behind, who [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/r/: read, horror, write, rhyme, catarrhal [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/l/: lead, solo, pool; poll, island
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Vowels[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/i:/: me, bead, key, see, deceive, people, quay, encyclopaedia, foetus, police, relieve, soliloquy, Yves[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/I/: bid, Greenwich, hymn, luggage, mountain, pretty, wanted, women, sieve, busy. foreign,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]/ʊ/: look, put, woman Worcester[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/u:/: booed, boot, through, true, truth, whose, route, new, lieu manoeuvre[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/e/: bed, said, head, any, leisure, leopard, friend[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ə/: about, the, teacher*, ration, Russia, photography, cemetery, thorough, bureaucrat, , station, patient pigeon, gorgeous, gynaecology. forget failure, status,[FONT=&quot] tortoise, famous,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɜ:/: bird, burred, turn, herd, heard, myrtle, myrrh, worse, masseuse connoisseur, journalist oeuvre, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɔ:/: bored, board, broad, thought, law, awe, caught, fall, warm, George[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/æ/: bad, plaid[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ʌ/: bud, rough, money, flourish, flood, does [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɑ:/: bard, barred, father, aunt, heart, clerk, catarrh, palm reservoir[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]/ɒ/: bod, cough, want, because, knowledge, sausage, geography[/FONT]
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Well, I stand corrected. By the way, I think your phonetics symbol list doesn't really help much as he doesn't know a thing or two about phonetics by any chance. I think that'd be awesome if he could be taught by native speaker in person.:)
 
DontBanMe said:
. By the way, I think your phonetics symbol list doesn't really help much as he doesn't know a thing or two about phonetics by any chance.
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If he knows one or two of the example words I have provided, then there is no problem.

There is no real need to QUOTE long posts if you are not going to use them.
 
fivejedjon said:
If he knows one or two of the example words I have provided, then there is no problem.

There is no real need to QUOTE long posts if you are not going to use them.
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Well, what if he doesnt? Yeah, you bet. I shouldn't have quoted that long post. But then again, I just wanted to make a REPLY.(I realised my boo-boo.Thank you!) Why do i feel you're so hostile toward me? (Am i PARANOID or what?). CANT we just all get along?( I'm sorry if I get you WRONG) Regards:)
 
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DontBanMe said:
Well, what if he doesnt? Yeah, you bet. I shouldn't have quoted that long post. But then again, I just wanted to make a REPLY.(I realised my boo-boo.Thank you!) Why do i feel you're so hostile toward me? (Am i PARANOID or what?). CANT we just all get along?( I'm sorry if I get you WRONG) Regards:)
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U've got it wrong, he's always frank but he's nice...I'd felt exactly like you ages ago...I'M HIS FAN :lol:

I hope you won't call me MEDDLER ;)
 
Getting along is always better than not getting on. :up:
 
faryan said:
U've got it wrong, he's always frank but he's nice...I'd felt exactly like you ages ago...I'M HIS FAN :lol:

I hope you won't call me MEDDLER ;)
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Well, so I'm not the only one who'd thought so:).
By the way, Thank you for telling me that. because of that, I got to know him better.:)
Tell you what, I don't REALLY think you're being like a meddler or what. You're just trying to mediate and clear thing up between him and me.:)
 
DontBanMe said:
The pronunciation sounds AWKWARD though.:)
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In what way do you think it sounds awkward? It sounds fine to me, given that individual words are being pronounced.
 
DontBanMe said:
The pronunciation sounds AKWARD though.:)
By the way, Thank you for your CONTRIBUTION.;-)
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I'm not sure about the awkwardness of the post, but I'm sure that it would be better to let the thread starter decide about it! :roll:
 
fivejedjon said:
In what way do you think it sounds awkward? It sounds fine to me, given that individual words are being pronounced.
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Sorry, probably I dont get used to British pronunciation. Hehe
Like, the word *large*, It sounds UNEASY to me( As you know, for American English, all the /r/ sound should be pronounced.)
Another word, like Volume. Instead of pronouncing the /v/ sound, why does the speaker make the /f/ sound. To me, it sounds like /Foljem/. Volume | Define Volume at Dictionary.com It sounds totally different from this.
Well, I just listened each sounds on the phonetics chart again. I think it does sound WELL.
By the way, I'm sorry if I'm being FUSSY- -:)
 
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