[General] Where three or more vessels lie abreast...

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Quote" Where 3 or more vessels lie abreast on any side of a ship ...... vessel shall not lie alongside any of those 3 or more vessels.".


I don't quite understanding the "3 or more". Is that more than 3 vessel lie abreast on a ship is acceptable initially?


Could you tell me more example for this kind of wording.

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Quote" Where 3 or more vessels lie abreast on any side of a ship ...... a local vessel shall not lie alongside any of those 3 or more vessels.".
I found the extra text I inserted at the link below.
http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_...4E24713A5D123836482572700028FC3D?OpenDocument

I don't quite understand [STRIKE]ing[/STRIKE] the "3 or more."
That's natural and common in English. It means 3, 4, 5, etc.

Is thatmore than 3 vessel lie abreast on a ship is acceptable initially?
I don't understand your question.

Could you [STRIKE]tell[/STRIKE] give me more examples [STRIKE]for[/STRIKE] of this kind of wording?
Four or more tourists were thought to have been infected by the virus.
The match was attended by one or two thousand more people than expected.
The current drought is expected to last for two or more years.
 

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Where 3 or more vessels lie abreast on any side of a ship which is at anchor or moored to a mooring buoy, a local vessel shall not lie alongside any of those 3 or more vessels.

The above construction is wordy and awkward.
It is understood that "three abreast" is three-in-a-row, side by side. There is no need to say "any side of a ship".

I think it could be simpler and expressed
more clearly as:

A local vessel shall not lie alongside vessels anchored or moored three or more abreast.

 
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Thanks everyone,

Sorry for my poor expression.

Quote " Where 3 or more vessels lie abreast on any side of a ship ...... a local vessel shall not lie alongside any of those 3 or more vessels"

Could I express the rule as following picture.

P.S ^ Means Vessel

For example:
Case (1)
^^^
^
This case are 4 vessels and only 3 vessels lie abreast. Can I say this case is obey the rule.

Case (2)
^^^^
This case are 4 vessels lie abreast. Can I say this case is not obey the rule.


Case (3)
^^^
^^
This case are 5 vessels. Only 3 vessels lie abreast and 2 vessels berth at second row. Can I say this case obey the rule


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There is no need to say "any side of a ship".

I think there is because vessels could also be anchored to a mooring (not a ship).


A local vessel shall not lie alongside vessels anchored or moored three or more abreast and lying either side of a ship.

That would be OK.
 

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I think there is because vessels could also be anchored to a mooring (not a ship).

I don't think the method or securing the vessel (whether by anchoring or mooring) comes into the picture.
The rule is meant to control the configuration of the vessels such that there is a maximum of three in a row, as illustrated by kcho 's examples, where (1) and (3) are allowed.
 

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Thank you for your reply regarding the use of English. I will consult with other parties for legal matter.
 
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