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    Default Re: articles in there is/there structure

    Quote Originally Posted by Verona_82 View Post
    Oh... Indeed Thursday evening syndrome.
    But why do you consider such "there is ...and....' structures to be incorrect?
    For the same reason that I consider 'A boy and a girl is standing over there' to be incorrect.

    There are some 'A and B' expressions that are so closely bound together that they are considered a singular idea (examples below), but, in general, more than one noun , however expressed, = plural.

    Fish and chips is a traditional meal.
    There is some bread and butter on the table.
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    Default Re: articles in there is/there structure

    Quote Originally Posted by Verona_82 View Post
    5jj, I must have worded my question poorly.
    There are two libraries - ok.
    I was wondering if I should use a sg verb when the first noun is also singular, but there are several nouns on my list.

    There is a book and a magazine on the table. (instead of 'There are...").

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    Verona,


    (1) We once had a president who used to say, "I feel your pain."

    (2) I think that I understand your question. In fact, not all native

    speakers agree on this matter.

    (3) I have some information from Dos, Don'ts & Maybes of English

    Usage published in 1977 by Mr. Theodore M. Bernstein, a writer for the

    world-famous and respected The New York Times.

    (4) This sentence is perfect:

    On his property were three orange trees, two lemon trees, and one grapefruit [tree].

    But look at this sentence:

    There ___a man standing there and a dog and two children.

    The rule calls for "were," but Mr. Bernstein feels that "was"

    is preferable because "many writers and readers feel more comfortable

    with a singular verb in such close contact with a singular noun."

    He says:

    "... there are occasions when one should not be too technical."

    (5) He gives this "correct" sentence:

    "There were a yacht, a plane, a motor launch and weekends with

    Princess Margaret and Lord Snowden." [Those two persons were

    very famous back in the "old days" of my youth.] But Mr. Bernstein says

    that some people would definitely prefer "was" (especially, I guess, in

    speech).

    The bottom line: You are studying English. So it is probably a good idea

    to follow the rules. But when you read sentences that break the rules,

    you should not be astonished.
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