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    Default verbs after as well as

    When we put a verb after as well as, we most often use the -ing form.

    As well as breaking his leg, he hurt his arm.

    After an infinitive in the main clause, an infinitive without to is possible.

    I have to feed the animals as well as look after the children.

    (Practical English Usage, Michael Swan)

    "After an infinitive in the main clause, an infinitive without to is possible."

    Does this mean that an infinitive without to in this case is optional?

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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    Quote Originally Posted by suprunp View Post

    Does this mean that an infinitive without to in this case is optional?

    Thanks.
    No.

    I have to feed the animals as well as look after the children.
    I have to feed the animals as well as to look after the children.
    However,
    I have animals to feed as well as the children to look after. -- two coordinated NP's (not infinitives)

    In 'have to', there is no 'to' without 'have'. You cannot elide 'have' because by doing so the modal idiom loses its force of obligation.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    Thank you Afit for your reply.

    Now, I'll try to narrow the scope of my question.

    Does this mean that an infinitive without to in this case is optional?

    In other words, is it acceptable to say "I have to feed the animals as well as looking after the children."?
    Thanks.

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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    I have to feed the animals as well as looking after the children.

    There are two things that you have to do:

    1. feed the animals,
    2. looking after the children

    A bare infinitive is joined to a gerund by the use of the semi-coordinator "as well as".
    To achieve symmetry of coordinated elements, I would use the bare inf. form, "look":

    I have to feed the animals as well as look after the children.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    May I ask you one small additional question?

    Which form should I use in the subordinate clause if I use the subjunctive in the main clause?

    He suggests that she get a job in a bank as well as {move/moving}? to his apartment.

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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    With subjunctive, same story. "get" is not a bare infinitive; it is a present subjunctive form in singular third person. Finite verb (shows tense). To achieve symmetry, resort to the application of the present subjunctive form of "move" in singular third person -- which is "move" -- is a sure bet.

    He suggests that she get a job in a bank as well as move to his apartment.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    I have to feed the animals as well as looking after the children.


    No, don't say this!

    I have to... look after the chidren.

    But even without the "have to" (I feed the animals as well as ... ) then "looking" sounds terrible!

    I feed the animals and look after the children.
    As well as looking after the children, I feed the animals.
    I feed the animals as well as look after the children.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post

    I have to... look after the chidren.

    She sings as well as playing the piano. (Swan, PEU)
    She ... playing the piano.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post

    I have to... look after the chidren.
    Note that as well as is merely a marginal coordinator. One manifestation is your example.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    I am at a loss to explain Swan's example. I would never say or write that or other sentences in that pattern. I would use "plays" there.

    It would be helpful to recruit other native speakers to this thread to see what they think.
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    Default Re: verbs after as well as

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I am at a loss to explain Swan's example. I would never say or write that or other sentences in that pattern. I would use "plays" there.

    It would be helpful to recruit other native speakers to this thread to see what they think.
    I am happy with Swann's example, though I would use the reverse order: As well as playing the piano, she sings.

    Quirk et al (1985.982) note of what they call quasi-coordinators (as well as, as much as, rather than, more than) :

    [...] In other sentences, however,] they clearly have a prepositional role, and have the mobility of adverbials, in that they can be placed in initial or final position [...]


    {As well as printing the books, he publishes them.
    {He publishes the books, as well as printing them.
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