patties or burgers

[ostap77]

"I'll have beef patties with fries."

OR

"I'll have beefburgers with fries."

Would there be a difference?

 

[emsr2d2]

"I'll have beef patties with fries."

OR

"I'll have beefburgers with fries."

Would there be a difference?

Are you talking about an order in a fast food restaurant? If so, in BrE at least, we would say neither. We would say "I'll have a hamburger/cheeseburger/chickenburger and fries please".

"Patties" is not really used in BrE, though I think it's very common in AmE. They're called "burgers" in BrE.

 

[Tdol]

Doesn't patty refer to the uncooked item?

 

[TheParser]

beef patties


beefburgers



NOT A TEACHER


(1) I may be wrong (of course!), but I think that most Americans use those two words

this way:

Mother: I am serving hamburgers tonight.

Father: Wow!

Son: Oh, boy!

Daughter: Mother, darling, I am on another diet. So I'll just have one

pattie, please.

***

Hamburger = the meat and the bun (bread).

Pattie = the meat only.

EDIT: I have been reminded that the correct spelling is PATTY. Very sorry.

 

[Tdol]

Hamburger = the meat and the bun (bread).

Patty = the meat only.

Thanks for clearing that up. :up:

 

[SoothingDave]

"Burger" could refer to just the patty as well. As in "I'm throwing some dogs and burgers on the grill."

I would never order a "patty."

A Big Mac has "two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun."

 

[Rover_KE]

If patty and burger appear as separate options on the menu, ask the server what the difference is.

Rover

 

[bhaisahab]

"I'll have beef patties with fries."

OR

"I'll have beefburgers with fries."

Would there be a difference?

As far as I know a patty is a Jamaican food item, it consists of meat (often beef), fish or vegetables in pastry. So to me a beef patty with fries is completely different to a beefburger with fries. Not that I would eat either, being a vegetarian.;-)

 

[Rover_KE]

In Five Guys (an American burger franchise), the order clerks shout to the cooks 'One patty'/'two patties' etc depending on whether the customer has ordered a single or double burger.

Rover

 

[SoothingDave]

Five Guys is great. The double burger is the "regular" with a half pound of meat. You have to order the "little hamburger" if you only want a quarter pound.

 

[TheParser]

Thanks for clearing that up. :up:

I apologize for not spelling "patty" correctly. I broke a very important rule: always check the dictionary if you are not sure.


A few years ago, I cringed when an ESL teacher wrote the word "pennie"

on the whiteboard. I now feel his pain.

 

[riquecohen]

In Five Guys (an American burger franchise), the order clerks shout to the cooks 'One patty'/'two patties' etc depending on whether the customer has ordered a single or double burger.

Rover

Dave's right. Five Guys is great and their menu features burgers, not patties. Menu | Five Guys Burgers and Fries I probably wouldn't go to a place that served "patties" as I tend to think of them as anemic burgers.
What the server shouts to the cook often bears no relationship to the item being ordered. For example "whiskey down" refers to toasted rye bread, and on the TV series "Alice", Flo shouted "fish eyes and glue" when she wanted tapioca pudding.

 

[emsr2d2]

I was thinking about this again this morning and realised that I was under the impression that in AmE, they're patties when they're uncooked rounds of meat, and burgers once they've been cooked.

So if an order was unclear, the person cooking the food would be able to say "How many patties do you want in your burger?" in order to know if it's a single, double, triple etc.

In BrE, a beefburger is the round of meat, cooked or uncooked. A hamburger is the cooked round of meat in a bread bun, with salad and sauce - it's the name for the whole thing.

However, we frequently abbreviate both of them to just "burger". We order a "burger and fries" in a fast food restaurant, when what we want is a "hamburger and fries", and we buy "frozen/fresh burgers" in the supermarket when what we're actually buying is "fresh/frozen beefburgers", That abbreviation can lead to the rather odd sounding question: "How many burgers do you want in your burger?", meaning "How many beefburgers do you want me to cook and then stack up inside one bread bun with salad and sauce?"

As a vegetarian of 21 years, I can't remember the last time I spent so long thinking about meat!! ;-)

 

[Jack8rkin]

I read a book entitled "Big Red" about the submarine Nebraska.
Below are submariners' food choices :
"trail marker" – Salisbury steak
"baboon ass" – roast beef
"three by five" – fried fish patty
"hockey puck" – chicken patty
"vent cover" – veal patty
"toenails" – hash browns
"cat doo" – sausage link

I thought patties were analogous to the Russian thing called "pirog" or "pirozhok" (which is "pie" in direct translation, but as I realized, Americans do not have such a thing as "pirog" -- the concepts are a bit different).

 

[Tdol]

I apologize for not spelling "patty" correctly. I broke a very important rule: always check the dictionary if you are not sure.


A few years ago, I cringed when an ESL teacher wrote the word "pennie"

on the whiteboard. I now feel his pain.

I have tidied the spelling up. ;-)

 

[riquecohen]

I thought patties were analogous to the Russian thing called "pirog" or "pirozhok" (which is "pie" in direct translation, but as I realized, Americans do not have such a thing as "pirog" -- the concepts are a bit different).

The concepts are quite different, indeed, but we do have pirogs, pierogis, vareniks, etc. Bear in mind that there are a great number of Americans with Eastern European roots and that Polish and Ukrainian restaurants flourish in New York. Pierogis were a favorite of my childhood.
One more word about patties. In my opinion, patties are industrialized and bought in the frozen foods department of supermarkets. Cooked or uncooked, they are always thin and unsatisfying. Burgers are made by hand, hefty and "the real thing."

 

[Jack8rkin]

The concepts are quite different, indeed, but we do have pirogs, pierogis, vareniks, etc. Bear in mind that there are a great number of Americans with Eastern European roots and that Polish and Ukrainian restaurants flourish in New York. Pierogis were a favorite of my childhood.
One more word about patties. In my opinion, patties are industrialized and bought in the frozen foods department of supermarkets. Cooked or uncooked, they are always thin and unsatisfying. Burgers are made by hand, hefty and "the real thing."

Oh, yes! Sure, there are people from Eastern Europe in the US. But 3 guys I was dining with at one time (who were 50-60 years old) just asked me, "what is it?" when they saw pirogs. Two of them were white, and one, of the Indian origin (from India) -- none of Eastern European origin.
When I asked if they had similar things, the answer was "no". At the same time, one of them told me about Dutch descendents in his home place who had similar things. (I can't remember their name now).
Why I had doubts about "patties" is because "patty" is translated in dictionaries as "pirozhok" (small pie). I do not know why it is so... As I see now, it is a wrong translation.

P.S.: I adore pirogs my grandma bakes! Yummy!

 

[SoothingDave]

Pierogie are a regional thing in the US. Certainly we have no shortage of those of Eastern European descent in Western Pennsylvania. Pierogies are good Lent food. Meatless and very filling.

 

[Jack8rkin]

Pierogie are a regional thing in the US. Certainly we have no shortage of those of Eastern European descent in Western Pennsylvania. Pierogies are good Lent food. Meatless and very filling.

Guys! I just realized that "pirogie" is not what I'm speaking about!
"Pierogie" is what Russians call "Vareniki" (both are in Plural).
In fact, a pirog is similar to the varenik in concept, but the pirog is larger in size and is baked (in an oven) rather than boiled in water (in a pan on a stove).
Do you have anything of the kind ther in the US?

Have a look^
http://www.koolinar.ru/recipe/view/74262

There are the pirozhki with various kinds of stuffing.

 

[SoothingDave]

Pasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are eaten in Wisconsin. Miner's food. Self-contained and easy to carry with you down into the mine.