Last edited by symaa; 17-Dec-2011 at 15:28.
The same applies unfortunately.
The concept that a sentence must be right because a teacher has written it is rather frightening. I hope not too many people believe it. (I'll concede that it should be relatively safe for any exam set by that teacher.)
But at some stage in life, you need to give up teachers and find out for yourself.
PS: That's not directed at you personally, symaa.
Last edited by Raymott; 17-Dec-2011 at 19:09.
Yes, but I think that every teacher has to be very cautious and give only the information that s/he is quite sure about, so that s/he may not confuse student.
As English is not my native language nor the second one, I always want to know from native speakers.
Thank you for the advice, and really I highly appreciate it.I do believe that I have to improve myself and do my best.
And I guess you know that about 50% of English teachers are below average in competence.
And I don't know whether you've been here long enough to have noticed the average use of proper punctuation and orthography in non-native English teachers from North Africa - to take only one example of what I'd call "usually incompetent in this area".
"I think that every teacher has to be very cautious and give only the information that s/he is quite sure about."
And do you think that happens? It is not in the nature of most teachers to admit they don't know something. I'm not talking specifically about English teachers now, but if a person sets themself up as a teacher, and you ask a question related to their area of specialty, they will try to give an answer to the limits of their perceived credibility. By this, I mean that if what they say is unlikely to be readily falsified, they will offer an opinion as fact if they can, and a guess as an opinion.
(An advantage of this forum is that opinions offered as fact and guesses offered as opinion are usually falsifiable and, hence, falsified. I don't know if that occurs among English teachers in North Africa.)
Don't let's be negative about teachers who are not native speakers. Some of them have a better understanding of the workings of English and how to explain them than some native-speaking teachers. And some of the leading writers on English grammar in the 20th century were not native speakers - Jespersen, Kruisinga, Poutsma, Schibsbye, Zandvoort, and others.
When I was hiring teachers, I would always hope to find competent native speakers, but I would always choose a competent non-native speaker over a second-rate native speaker.
Sorry, that's a bit off-topic, but we sometimes forget that most of the teaching of EFL/ESOL in the world is done by non-native speakers, and many of them do a fine job.
Context is always important; labelling is rarely important.
Yes, it was a bit naughty of me to do that. But just this once, knowing that I could back up my point about North African teachers and punctuation simply from our records here, I thought I'd risk the observation.
Of course, it's feasable that the better non-native English teachers do not post here, so we are getting a biassed sample.
[ Back to your normal program ]
Indeed, I don't have any negative attitude towards non-native English teacher, but what I meant is that it’s better to be thought by a native speaker since English is her/his mother language, you will learn the right pronunciation...., acheiving many things at once.
Thank you so much.
All the best for you,