Results 1 to 7 of 7
Like Tree12Likes
  • 1 Post By hoangkha
  • 2 Post By 5jj
  • 2 Post By hoangkha
  • 2 Post By emsr2d2
  • 3 Post By 5jj
  • 2 Post By 5jj

Thread: Why?

  1. #1
    hoangkha is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Vietnamese
      • Home Country:
      • Vietnam
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    153

    Default Why?

    Hi!
    - We objected to _____ up our garden.
    A. their cat's digging
    B. their cat to dig
    C. their cat digging
    D.their cat's which dig
    The key is C. But why isn't A chosen, please?
    TheParser likes this.

  2. #2
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj
    5jj is online now Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    17,017
    Teacher

    Default Re: Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoangkha View Post
    The key is C. But why isn't A chosen, please?
    To a pedant, A would require 'of' after 'up'
    TheParser and aachu like this.
    Context is always important; labelling is rarely important.


  3. #3
    hoangkha is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Vietnamese
      • Home Country:
      • Vietnam
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    153
    Threadstarter / Original Poster

    Default Re: Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5jj View Post
    To a pedant, A would require 'of' after 'up'
    Thank Mr.5jj.
    Is it correct to write "We objected to their cat's digging up of our garden."
    dig sth up or dig up sth.
    I think of after up isn't needed.
    TheParser and aachu like this.

  4. #4
    emsr2d2 is online now VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    9,032
    Teacher

    Default Re: Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoangkha View Post
    Thank Mr.5jj.
    Is it correct to write "We objected to their cat's digging up of our garden."
    dig sth up or dig up sth.
    I think of after up isn't needed.
    "Of" is required if you consider the "digging up" as a noun which we would have to do to use "their cat's" (possessive).

    In "We objected to their cat's digging up of our garden", neither the verb "dig up something" nor "dig something up" is used.

    In "We objected to their cat digging up our garden", it is.
    TheParser and aachu like this.

  5. #5
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj
    5jj is online now Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    17,017
    Teacher

    Default Re: Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    In "We objected to their cat's digging up of our garden", neither the verb "dig up something" nor "dig something up" is used.

    In "We objected to their cat digging up our garden", it is.
    Those writers to whom this is important call the first digging up a verbal noun, and the second digging up a gerund. However, the situation is complicated by the fact that some would call both gerunds, and some consider the gerund to be a verbal noun. Most of us don't worry too much about it.

    As I said in my first post, a pedant would insist on the 'of' in "We objected to their cat's digging up of our garden", but most native speakers would not. I would never set a test question in which the absence of 'of' was regarded as a mistake.
    poorboy_9, emsr2d2 and TheParser like this.
    Context is always important; labelling is rarely important.


  6. #6
    hoangkha is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Vietnamese
      • Home Country:
      • Vietnam
      • Current Location:
      • Vietnam
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    153
    Threadstarter / Original Poster

    Default Re: Why?

    Thanks for your responses.
    I have just found this in PEU by Micheal Swan,page 278 and 279.

    2- -ing form with its own object
    The -ing form subject, object or complement is still a verb, and can have its own object.
    - Smoking cigarettes is bad for you.
    - I hate packing suitcases.
    - My favourite activity is reading poetry.

    3- determiners and possessives with -ing forms
    We can often use determiners (for example the, my, this) with -ing forms.
    - the opening of Parliament.
    - Does my smoking annoy you?
    - I don't mind your going without me.
    - I hate all this useless arguing.
    Possessives 's forms are also possible.
    - John's going to sleep during the wedding was rather enbarrassing.
    - She was angry at Lina's trying to lie to her.
    Note that possessives and pronouns are not used before -ing forms if it is already clear who is being talked about.
    - Thank you for waiting.(not Thank you for your waiting.)
    When an -ing form is used with an article, it cannot usually have a direct object. Instead, we can use an of-structure.
    - the smoking of cigarettes.(not the smoking cigarettes.)

    4- object pronouns before -ing forms
    In an informal style it is more common to use object forms (like me, John) instead of possessives(my, John's) with -ing forms, especially when these come after a verb or a preposition.
    - I don't mind you going without me.
    - She was angry at Lina trying to lie to her.

    From the above, I think A and C are correct in this sentence.
    - We objected to _____ up our garden.
    A. their cat's digging
    B. their cat to dig
    C. their cat digging
    D.their cat's which dig

  7. #7
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj
    5jj is online now Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    17,017
    Teacher

    Default Re: Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoangkha View Post
    From the above, I think A and C are correct in this sentence.
    - We objected to _____ up our garden.
    A. their cat's digging
    B. their cat to dig
    C. their cat digging
    D.their cat's which dig
    According to Swan, and to me, both are acceptable. However, as I have explained, A is not acceptable to a pedant.
    bhaisahab and hoangkha like this.
    Context is always important; labelling is rarely important.


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0