Results 1 to 6 of 6
Like Tree2Likes
  • 2 Post By SoothingDave

Thread: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

  1. #1
    NewHopeR is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    491

    Default Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    Context:

    Out of the 300 members of Parliament, 199 voted yes, 74 voted no, 5 voted present while 22 were absent.

    More:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp

  2. #2
    SoothingDave is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Other
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,705

    Default Re: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    No, it means they voted "I am here" when asked a yes/no question.

  3. #3
    Raymott's Avatar
    Raymott is offline VIP Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Academic
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • Australia
      • Current Location:
      • Australia
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    14,596
    Teacher

    Default Re: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    No, it means they voted "I am here" when asked a yes/no question.
    I've never heard of that. That's obviously an abstention. Is that the normal way to abstain? I suppose it has some profound historical significance.

  4. #4
    SoothingDave is offline Key Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Other
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • United States
      • Current Location:
      • United States
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    4,705

    Default Re: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    It's usually used when a politician doesn't want to be "on the record" for opponents to use his vote against him. A form of cowardice, in other words.

    See this article on the practice in Illinois:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18348437
    Raymott and NewHopeR like this.

  5. #5
    NewHopeR is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Student or Learner
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • China
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    491
    Threadstarter / Original Poster

    Default Re: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    It's usually used when a politician doesn't want to be "on the record" for opponents to use his vote against him. A form of cowardice, in other words.

    See this article on the practice in Illinois:

    Examining Obama's 'Present' Votes in Illinois : NPR

    Cool stuff.
    Thank you.

  6. #6
    Tdol is offline Editor, UsingEnglish.com
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Philippines
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    35,345
    Teacher

    Default Re: Does "voted present" mean "voted that the present law be maintained"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I've never heard of that. That's obviously an abstention. Is that the normal way to abstain? I suppose it has some profound historical significance.
    New to me too.

Similar Threads

  1. [Vocabulary] What does "voted with their feet" in this context mean?
    By guliver in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 29-Sep-2011, 14:25
  2. [Grammar] Present Perfect in a sentence? Can I omit "have" when I use "and"?
    By maremma in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-Jun-2011, 10:27
  3. [Grammar] Difference between "ing"&"simple present" after "to"
    By Gavin1705 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 21-Jul-2010, 22:51
  4. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 13-May-2010, 21:49
  5. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 14-Apr-2008, 22:58

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0