Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14
Like Tree12Likes

Thread: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

  1. #1
    nelson13 is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    196

    Default I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    In the sentence 'I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.'

    In view of consistency, we usually will choose WAS, but sometimes I think IS is also OK, because the fact's status of being true is not past!

    What do you think?

  2. #2
    emsr2d2's Avatar
    emsr2d2 is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    15,518

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Use "is" - the fact is still true now.
    Rover_KE, bhaisahab and 5jj like this.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

  3. #3
    nelson13 is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    196

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Thank you. But why must the past tense used here?: 1949 was the year in which China collapsed.

    The year 1949 of course is past, but the status of being true is, agian, not past.

  4. #4
    Chicken Sandwich's Avatar
    Chicken Sandwich is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Russian Federation
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    1,248

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson13 View Post
    Thank you. But why must the past tense used here?: 1949 was the year in which China collapsed
    NOT A TEACHER

    I think that this sentence also works with "is". The choice of tense would depend on the tense used in the rest of the text.
    emsr2d2 likes this.

  5. #5
    nelson13 is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    196

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    I am interested in history, and I read many books on this subject; whenever a year is mentioned, it is WAS but not IS.

    Could anyone think of a situation IS is used?

  6. #6
    nelson13 is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    196

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    In Oxford Advanced 8th, a sentence: It was Chaucer who really turned English into a literary language.

    In what situation can WAS be turned into IS?

  7. #7
    Chicken Sandwich's Avatar
    Chicken Sandwich is offline Senior Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Russian
      • Home Country:
      • Russian Federation
      • Current Location:
      • Netherlands
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    1,248

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson13 View Post

    Could anyone think of a situation IS is used?
    Here's one example:

    1817 is the year which Louis XVIII., with a certain royal assurance which was not wanting in pride, entitled the twenty-second of his reign. It is the year in which M. Bruguiere de Sorsum was celebrated.
    Les Miserables by Victor Hugo: Chapter I. The Year 1817
    5jj likes this.

  8. #8
    nelson13 is offline Member
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Interested in Language
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • China
      • Current Location:
      • Hong Kong
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    196

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Is the historical present being used here?

  9. #9
    5jj's Avatar
    5jj
    5jj is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • Retired English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • Czech Republic
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    23,966

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson13 View Post
    Is the historical present being used here?
    The 'historical present' is simply a label, an attempt to slot one usage of the present tense into a helpful category. "In 1817 Louis XVIII writes to the Czar" is an example of this - using the present tense for a clearly past event.

    I don't think that "1817 is the year which Louis XVIII, with a certain royal assurance which was not wanting in pride, entitled the twenty-second of his reign" really fits into that category, but others may disagree. I think that the writer plucks 1817 from a list of years; as such "1817" exists in the present. Had the 'was' been 'is' and 'entitled' been 'entitles', then s/he would have been using a 'historical present'
    anhnha and bhaisahab like this.
    Context is important. Please provide enough for us to be able to deal effectively with your question.
    Your thread title should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.
    If you just want to know the meaning of a word, try OneLook Dictionary Search first.


  10. #10
    emsr2d2's Avatar
    emsr2d2 is offline Moderator
    • Member Info
      • Member Type:
      • English Teacher
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    15,518

    Default Re: I tried to do so several times, but the fact is/was that I failed.

    You could simplify the whole issue by saying "I tried to do so several times but [I] failed".
    anhnha, 5jj and bhaisahab like this.
    Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. in fact , as a matter of fact, actually
    By Ju in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 28-Jul-2011, 07:43
  2. failed
    By Ju in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 20-Feb-2011, 05:07
  3. [Grammar] 3 times bigger than=3 times as big as or 4 times as big as
    By Matthewxua in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 19-Sep-2008, 09:38
  4. in fact/ as a matter of fact
    By minnie2007 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 16-May-2007, 11:57
  5. failed
    By angliholic in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 30-Apr-2007, 03:13

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Hotchalk

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1